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rez69
#41 Posted : 2/25/2010 11:57:15 PM
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My lawyer spoke to citibank and he said I qualify for a mortgage modification that will bring my monthly payment down from $3380. to $2015. I will believe that when I see it on paper, but he said it looks good. Im waiting for the paper exchanges and we will see. Sounds too good to be true so Im not holding my breath. He also had to request the mortgage transcripts going back to '07 to track what they have been doing with my escrow money. I wonder how many people dont question things and just keep paying. Scary!
Many Changes being made to my arsenal. Updates coming.
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#42 Posted : 2/28/2010 11:10:57 PM
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rez - I'd say don't give them a break because they're going to "lower" your payment amount. In all probability, that only means you'll have to pay longer and they'll still get the same interest money out of you - if not more.

What's the deal with them trying to screw you on the tax money, etc? Man, why are you putting up with this sh*t???





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#43 Posted : 3/9/2010 9:06:50 PM
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I have a an 80's swingstar (T Label) and every time I talk about these to drums to enthusiast they say "those are great drums when swingstars were at their best". Now they are not as reputable today as they were. My point is I think we all have deep passion for starclassics and dont want to see them become what the imperial stars are today . With that I will add again that I have played the new b/b and find that they are fabulous drums . My favorite snare is b/b china and it tunes and plays like butter . I will still support Tama all the way. Theres always DW but i dont have the cash or endorsement like Tommy Lee. Never the less i haven't heard anyone on this forum complain about the sound of b/b ....... just the new label. Thats all!
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Where are Pearls Gretch and Ludwig made these days . Just Curious.
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#45 Posted : 3/10/2010 2:12:12 AM
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fatchoppers wrote:
Where are Pearls Gretch and Ludwig made these days . Just Curious.


Pearl, made in Taiwan or China, Japan,

Gretch, China, U.S.A.

Lugwig, China, U.S.A.
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#46 Posted : 3/11/2010 11:46:04 AM
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Sabianist is correct. All the companies top professional lines are made in the USA by Ludwig, Gretsch, etc while their cheaper entry level kits are usually made in China. I do believe all of Pearl's Pro Level Drums are made in Tokoyo and they recently have set up a factory in Taiwan for the cheaper kits.
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#47 Posted : 3/12/2010 2:08:03 PM
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sandman wrote:
Sabianist is correct. All the companies top professional lines are made in the USA by Ludwig, Gretsch, etc while their cheaper entry level kits are usually made in China. I do believe all of Pearl's Pro Level Drums are made in Tokoyo and they recently have set up a factory in Taiwan for the cheaper kits.



Only Masterworks I think are made in Japan and maybe REFERENCE but I'm not sure about that. The Masters are made in Taiwan now, before they were made in China. They just dropped the Masters Premium for the U.S. but we can still get them in Europe. So no more Birch for you guys.
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#48 Posted : 3/12/2010 2:46:16 PM
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Wow...what's worse China or Taiwan?
200? Starclassic Mirage Black Ice 6pc (10,12,14,14x6sn,16,22"x20 kick)
2006 Starclassic Performer Birch 5pc Red Sparkle Fade (12"14"16"14x6.5 snare 24" kick)
2006 Starclassic Bubinga 4pc in White Pearl w diamond inlay (10"12"14"22")
2005 Starclassic Performer Birch 5pc Black Magic (10"12"14"14x5.5 snare, 22"kick)
2002 Arstar Es 4pc Rock Chrome (12"14"16"24")
1998 Starclassic Maple Crimson Fade 8pc (10x10"12x11"14x12"14x5.5snare "16x16" "18x16" 24x18 kick x2)
1990 Artstar II Piano White 4pc (12" 13" 16" 22" kick)
Snares: Lars Ulrich steel, Kenny Aronoff 14x5 Trackmaster, 2004 Quilted Bubinga exotix 14x6" #75 of 300 MP 12" steel.
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#50 Posted : 3/12/2010 4:33:32 PM
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I'm almost positive that the reference is made in Taiwan.
Information is not knowledge, knowledge is not wisdom, wisdom is not truth,
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#51 Posted : 3/13/2010 12:57:30 PM
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Reference made in Taiwan. I'm actually curious how many Masterworks kits Pearl sells a year. I'm guessing worldwide its around 250-300 but that may be high. You have to figure 90% of the folks ordering those will post their kits on the Pearl forum and its usually once a month or so that you see a new kit. Maybe its more like 150-200 a year worldwide. I really hope Tama does some kind of high end boutique thing for 2011, whether made in China or Japan I'm just after more options, sizes and colors... Wouldn't mind some new invention like Octobans, Gong Bass, Tymp Toms, they are due! DW keeps coming out with new things, some are kind of cool others are ridiculous but at least there's innovation. Tama had been the innovator in the drum industry for years, I hope they someday reclaim that throne!
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#52 Posted : 3/13/2010 1:48:06 PM
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Amen to that, Gongbass. It does seem like Tama has been resting on it's laurels lately. They have really slowed down at the innovations that once made them such a force to be reckoned with. I am also holding out hope that they will reclaim their title of being the leader in innovations.
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#53 Posted : 3/13/2010 7:13:25 PM
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I completely agree with you guys. I have noticed that TAMA's been takin' it easy lately. It definitely would be cool to see TAMA make a series sorta like Pearl's masterworks, or some sort of custom shop. But TAMA does need to get their butts in gear and start innovating again.
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#49 Posted : 3/14/2010 8:04:53 AM
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dreamkastor wrote:
Wow...what's worse China or Taiwan?


Some people say the Tama hardware made in Taiwan was better.


Sabian, Vic Firth
YtseJam
#54 Posted : 3/14/2010 8:56:00 AM
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I've said it too and I still stand by it.
Information is not knowledge, knowledge is not wisdom, wisdom is not truth,
truth is not beauty, beauty is not love, love is not music. Music is the best.
- Frank Zappa
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#55 Posted : 3/14/2010 10:37:05 AM
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Interesting thread...

I am new to the forums here, and have been reading as much as I can over the past couple of days. I am also contemplating the purchase of a Bubinga Starclassic kit, although I haven't yet made the final decision. So this raises an interesting question--which of the Bubinga lines are still made in Japan? Any of them? Does it matter?

If the Bubinga drums are made in China, but the Bubinga "Elite" drums are still made in Japan--is it worth the extra money paid, to go with the Bubinga Elite series? They do offer more sizes and finishes, so I may end up going that way ultimately anyway. But this thread raises some very interesting considerations, for someone like me who is contemplating the purchase of a $5-6K drum kit.

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