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Finally got my new 7 piece silverstars! Bass is BOOMY
doodman
#1 Posted : 1/12/2012 5:24:01 PM
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Hi! I'm new to this form :) Was looking for some xpert advice! This is my first branded drum kit (I've been playing on a POS 5-piece TKO drum set for 15 years :( anyway..).

I got my Silverstars yesterday and set them all up. They sound really good! I tuned them up as best I could by ear this morning and they sound much better. I'll have to get the Tension Watch for sure though. But the bass drum is WAY WAY boomy. I know it's the nature of the best, but is there a way to dampen the bass drum without it sounding different? On my old set, I had stuck big piece of foam in the drum and it made it sound pretty good (for a POS drum that is). I don't want to change the tone on this kit, it sounds great!!

Thanks for your time! I love these drums!!
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#2 Posted : 1/12/2012 6:08:01 PM
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Bass drums need to be allowed to breathe and not become a storage place for pillows or laundry. The perfect solution to your dilemma is to replace the stock bass drum head and get an Evans EMAD Bass Drum Head. Stuffing a bass drum with foam and pillows should be a thing of the past. Drums nowdays are designed to resonate via thinner, stonger shell technology. Silverstars are birch drums which will sound way different to maple drums. Birch is short sustain, punchy, more pronounced as opposed to Maple which is warm, resonate, with long decay. If you have never played a birch kit before, you'll need to let your ears adapt to the sound. I have bass drums in several sizes and species of wood and I use Evans EMADS on alll 5 of my kick drums with great satisfaction. If the resonant head on your kick drum isn't ported, think about adding a port. Hope this helps.

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#3 Posted : 1/12/2012 7:37:37 PM
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I agree with sandman. Let that sucker breathe! I play a birch Starclassic kit and use the Evans GMAD (single ply 12mil) My kick has some boom to it...but not over the top.
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#4 Posted : 1/12/2012 9:19:16 PM
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+1 on the Evans EMAD2... I use them on all of my kits and they sound killer. I've also found that the Evans Onyx resonant requires no muffling at all and has a port in it as well. As was said before, try to avoid putting too much in the drum. Experiment with the EMAD or GMAD heads and see what you like. :)

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doodman on 1/12/2012(UTC)
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#5 Posted : 1/12/2012 9:35:39 PM
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Thanks for the replies! I'll definately check out those heads.

Looks like the EMAD is what I'm looking for! I want good punch with very fast delay, looks like that will work.

Thanks again! Doh

Cool, I was on Evans website and they have sound clip examples of what each head sounds like! Exactly what I was looking for! You guys rule!
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#6 Posted : 1/12/2012 10:02:55 PM
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That's cuz we're pro like that. :-)
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doodman on 1/12/2012(UTC)
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#7 Posted : 1/12/2012 10:10:20 PM
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I ordered the EMAD2 and a 5" port for the resonant head :) I'll let you know how I make out.

Anyone ever used a drum dial tuner thing? Getting all 7 pieces to sing to eachother is far more intense than I imagined lol. I'd better order one of the drum tuners to!
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#8 Posted : 1/12/2012 11:40:52 PM
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Originally Posted by: doodman Go to Quoted Post
I ordered the EMAD2 and a 5" port for the resonant head :) I'll let you know how I make out.

Anyone ever used a drum dial tuner thing? Getting all 7 pieces to sing to eachother is far more intense than I imagined lol. I'd better order one of the drum tuners to!


Never been fond of tuning dials. Look up Bob Gatzen on YouTube, I follow his methods pretty closely.
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#10 Posted : 1/13/2012 12:17:18 AM
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Good advise from everybody here. I have an ooolldd Imperialstar set. I also used to place pillows in the kicks. Went to the EMAD heads last year and never have been happier. No more pillows and they sound great now. As for the drum dial, I have one and use it to get close to the sound. I usually rely on my hearing and feel for the sound though. As TamaDude stated, look at Bob Gatzen's tuning methods. I did and learned a lot from him. He is truly a master at tuning drums. Good luck.
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#11 Posted : 1/13/2012 1:44:39 AM
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Thanks for the all the replies! I checked out the youtube videos. Man, that dude sure knows drums inside and out. If I could just hang out with that guy for a couple hours :) Thanks again for all your help, I found it very useful! Can't wait to get that new bass head!
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#9 Posted : 1/13/2012 5:12:23 AM
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Originally Posted by: doodman Go to Quoted Post
I ordered the EMAD2 and a 5" port for the resonant head :) I'll let you know how I make out.

Anyone ever used a drum dial tuner thing? Getting all 7 pieces to sing to eachother is far more intense than I imagined lol. I'd better order one of the drum tuners to!



I have owned several different drum dials in the past couple of years. I have owned the Tama Drum Dial and Drum Dial Brand Drum Dial. Both are designed almost the same and both measure Tympanic Pressure at each lug. Quite frankly, I think they are a waste of money unless you are a drum tech or if you need the ability to tune your kit quietly before a gig. If you are relying on it to make tuning your drums easier, forget it. That's not what it is designed for. Basically, you tune each drum to that perfect pitch that you her inside your head and once you find the perfect tuning that makes up your signature sound, you take the Drum Dial and place on the head at each lug and write down the number. Once you get that info recorded, you can simply change out a head and use the tuning dial to set the head exactly to the same tuning. Very time consuming process while you try to establish and record your best results that fit your personal drum sound. I keep one in my stick bag in case I have a gig at club where the owner doesn't like bands that sound check which annoys clientelle so you can tune without a single tap on the drum heads using the drum dial. Many novices think that drum dials are a shortcut to learning how to tune but it's not. Nothing replaces developing your ears to understand the effects of tuning. Until you are consistent and versed in how to dial in your individual drums to that "Perfect Pitch" you hear in your head, don't waste money on one. There's no shortcuts to professional tuning. My 2 cents and only my personal opinion so take it with a grain of salt.

If you DO break and buy a drum dial, I really like the Tama Brand better than the Drum Dial Brand. The Tama seemed more accurate and consistent from tuning to tuning, The drum dial seemed to swing all over the place in readings.
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#12 Posted : 1/13/2012 7:01:47 PM
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I love my Drum Dial but as has been said it's not magic. It is useful though. It mostly helps me out with snare tuning.

Congrats on the kit. Now, post up some pics before one of the mods bans you.
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#13 Posted : 1/13/2012 7:17:47 PM
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Originally Posted by: Stewart Moonrichozzio Go to Quoted Post
Now, post up some pics before one of the mods bans you.



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#15 Posted : 1/13/2012 10:50:15 PM
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I agree with Sandman on the usage of Drum dials...not short cuts but definitely useful tools. Having said that, I wish the Tama tension watch came with the little spacer that Drum dial comes with. I think someone posted a homemade solution on this forum somewhere. Still straight of the box with one would have been nice.

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#14 Posted : 1/14/2012 2:06:40 AM
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Originally Posted by: Stewart Moonrichozzio Go to Quoted Post
I love my Drum Dial but as has been said it's not magic. It is useful though. It mostly helps me out with snare tuning.

Congrats on the kit. Now, post up some pics before one of the mods bans you.


Here it is, moments after I just put it together. Rough crowd lol

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#17 Posted : 1/14/2012 2:38:00 AM
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sexy sexy sexy!
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#18 Posted : 1/16/2012 5:14:01 PM
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#19 Posted : 1/16/2012 5:24:03 PM
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Very very nice! I dig it.
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#16 Posted : 1/16/2012 10:46:44 PM
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Interesting setup. LOL Seriously though, if I got some Silverstars I'd have to decide between the red & the blue sparkle. Thanks for the pic.

Originally Posted by: dreamkastor Go to Quoted Post
I agree with Sandman on the usage of Drum dials...not short cuts but definitely useful tools. Having said that, I wish the Tama tension watch came with the little spacer that Drum dial comes with. I think someone posted a homemade solution on this forum somewhere. Still straight of the box with one would have been nice.



I hate messin with that spacer and just use a finger. Shifty
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#20 Posted : 1/17/2012 1:32:04 PM
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New bass head is out for delivery! Sweet!
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