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#1 Posted : 8/13/2014 5:48:55 PM
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Hi to all. Hand

There's a Bubinga Omnitune set up for grabs at the moment on eBay, and, so far at least, the prices are realistic enough for me to consider dropping a bid in myself (even though I'm more on the look out for a set of Starclassic Maples, if I'm honest).

So - a few questions to the community with some experience of the Omnitunes: Think

1) How much extra weight does the omnitune system add to a typical drum?
2) How reliable (or fiddly) is the whole omnitune system from a mechanical perspective?
3) Of those who have played Omnitunes - how beneficial/handy is it in reality to be able to tune both sides simultaneously?
4) About 14 years ago I was a regular player of Sleishmans (still own them, they're just in another country right now and these days, I'm straightup Tama), and the tuning system on the Sleishmans, although a neat idea, and a great sound when you got it right... the time/fiddlyness taken to get the sound seemed to outweigh the benefits. (The Sleishmans were also ridiculously heavy to carry about, another reason why I went Tama). From a sonic/tuning point of view - is the system worth the hassle?
5). Any other thoughts/comments/caveats - always welcome

Thanks to all!! Happy

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#2 Posted : 8/13/2014 6:59:14 PM
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I can only reply to question 3 oggy.

You can't really tune both heads At the same time .The omni-tune system was designed to allow for you to tune both heads from the top. A double tuning key , hex head for the top head , and square head for the bottom head. You can also tune the resonant head from the bottom.
http://www.tamadrum.co.j...roduct/pdf/omnitune.pdf

I only played on one briefly but the guy who owned the kit just loved the concept of being able to tweak the tunings from the top.
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Shane Padayachee 2 on 8/14/2014(UTC)
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#4 Posted : 8/13/2014 8:24:11 PM
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I've never even seen an Omni-tune kit, but if I worked frequently in a studio, or owned one, I think it'd be smart to own one.

However, it takes me 5 minutes to remove my toms and tune 'em. I also tune by placing the opposite head on the throne to isolate the head I'm working in, so it'd take me some practice to correctly tune an Omni-tune kit.

The question that I have for Tama is: if the Omni-tune idea is so good, why not offer it on all the top-of-the-line shells?
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oggy_goodwin on 8/14/2014(UTC)
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#5 Posted : 8/13/2014 10:52:57 PM
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Forgot to ask oggy. which kit you looking at?The used
4 peice?
Or did Publishers Clearing House come knock on your door and you're looking at the new
12 peice?
2012.- 9pc. Starclassic Performer B/B. (BNZ)
7x8,9x10,10x12,12x14,14x16,16x18" toms.
2-18x22" kicks (one virgin).
5.5 x14" matching snare
Speed Cobra single pedals & Road Pro hardware.
Sabian AAX Series: 14" Studio hats. 16,17,18,19" Raw Bell Xplosion crashes. 21" Stage ride. 20" Custom Vault china. 10,12" splashes.

2008.- 5pc. Imperialstar (PB).
12,13,16" toms.
18x22" kick.
5.5 x14" matching snare
Speed Cobra double pedal & Stagemaster hardware.
Zildjian ZHT Rock Series: 14" hats. 16,18" Fast crashes. 20" ride. 18" china. 8" splash.
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#6 Posted : 8/14/2014 9:45:12 AM
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Originally Posted by: doublepedal Go to Quoted Post
Forgot to ask oggy. which kit you looking at?The used
4 peice?
Or did Publishers Clearing House come knock on your door and you're looking at the new
12 peice?


Hi Double

Neither of those, as it happens (although the 12 piece one looks EPIC)

Here's the one which caught my eye:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/it...rksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

Its in the butter zone as far as sizes go.
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#3 Posted : 8/14/2014 9:47:50 AM
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Originally Posted by: doublepedal Go to Quoted Post
I can only reply to question 3 oggy.

You can't really tune both heads At the same time .The omni-tune system was designed to allow for you to tune both heads from the top. A double tuning key , hex head for the top head , and square head for the bottom head. You can also tune the resonant head from the bottom.
http://www.tamadrum.co.j...roduct/pdf/omnitune.pdf

I only played on one briefly but the guy who owned the kit just loved the concept of being able to tweak the tunings from the top.



Thanks for clarifying the details Doublepedal - now its crystal clear to me - essentially a refined and improved version of the Sleisham system I used to play.

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#7 Posted : 8/14/2014 1:53:28 PM
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Originally Posted by: oggy_goodwin Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: doublepedal Go to Quoted Post
Forgot to ask oggy. which kit you looking at?The used
4 peice?
Or did Publishers Clearing House come knock on your door and you're looking at the new
12 peice?


Hi Double

Neither of those, as it happens (although the 12 piece one looks EPIC)

Here's the one which caught my eye:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/it...rksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

Its in the butter zone as far as sizes go.


Forgot you were in the UK oggy.Doh
Diggin' those black shells (but I'd do something about that bass drum reso head)Hand
You going to try and snag it up?
2012.- 9pc. Starclassic Performer B/B. (BNZ)
7x8,9x10,10x12,12x14,14x16,16x18" toms.
2-18x22" kicks (one virgin).
5.5 x14" matching snare
Speed Cobra single pedals & Road Pro hardware.
Sabian AAX Series: 14" Studio hats. 16,17,18,19" Raw Bell Xplosion crashes. 21" Stage ride. 20" Custom Vault china. 10,12" splashes.

2008.- 5pc. Imperialstar (PB).
12,13,16" toms.
18x22" kick.
5.5 x14" matching snare
Speed Cobra double pedal & Stagemaster hardware.
Zildjian ZHT Rock Series: 14" hats. 16,18" Fast crashes. 20" ride. 18" china. 8" splash.
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#8 Posted : 8/14/2014 4:38:39 PM
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Originally Posted by: doublepedal Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: oggy_goodwin Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: doublepedal Go to Quoted Post
Forgot to ask oggy. which kit you looking at?The used
4 peice?
Or did Publishers Clearing House come knock on your door and you're looking at the new
12 peice?


Hi Double

Neither of those, as it happens (although the 12 piece one looks EPIC)

Here's the one which caught my eye:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/it...rksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

Its in the butter zone as far as sizes go.


Forgot you were in the UK oggy.Doh
Diggin' those black shells (but I'd do something about that bass drum reso head)Hand
You going to try and snag it up?


Don't sweat the location doublepedal - easy enough mistake for people to make. Happy

I agree 200% on the bass drum reso head - it's just *not* the look I'd be going for Wall Wall Wall

Really on the fence over the kit - although its quite attractively priced, the piece I'm struggling with is whether I really do *need* either the omnitune features (and fiddlyness) in my life. The resonant heads I tend to tune once, check occasionally but apart from that, they're pretty much set and forget on my birch kit. And as others have alluded to here - tuning the resonant heads is generally easier to do with the resonant head facing you - its a *lot* easier to identify which is the precise lug that needs a tweak.

The other killer question I keep asking myself is - price aside, do I need Bubinga shelled sound? I'm ultra happy with the birch starclassics and in my mind, a contrasting set of maple starclassics is probably more in the zone of what I should get next. The idea of multiple drum kits is great, but only as an idea. Naughty

Going to keep an eye on it in any case and see where the market takes that particular kit. Think
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#11 Posted : 8/14/2014 5:04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by: oggy_goodwin Go to Quoted Post
The other killer question I keep asking myself is - price aside, do I need Bubinga shelled sound? I'm ultra happy with the birch starclassics and in my mind, a contrasting set of maple starclassics is probably more in the zone of what I should get next. The idea of multiple drum kits is great, but only as an idea. Naughty


Do ya want some fresh low-end punch in your life?!? Then, yes you want Bubinga! Happy
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#9 Posted : 8/15/2014 12:30:34 AM
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Originally Posted by: oggy_goodwin Go to Quoted Post

The other killer question I keep asking myself is - price aside, do I need Bubinga shelled sound? I'm ultra happy with the birch starclassics and in my mind, a contrasting set of maple starclassics is probably more in the zone of what I should get next. The idea of multiple drum kits is great, but only as an idea. Naughty

Going to keep an eye on it in any case and see where the market takes that particular kit. Think



You absolutely do NOT need the sound of Bubinga to contrast your birch or anything else and you will go through life without a hitch. In fact I'd say that if you even have to ask then you probably should not bother buying a Bubinga kit. I have birch, maple, bubinga and acylic drums and all the woods sound great in their own way (acrylic nice but below wood imo). Marketing hype aside there are definitely differences in sound - but not as huge of a difference as you might be led to believe IMO. If you have a great kit sound already then you are paying for another great kit sound + maybe 5 - 10% sonic difference. To some it is worth it - to others not so much.
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2006 Starclassic Bubinga 4pc in White Pearl w diamond inlay (10"12"14"22")
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#12 Posted : 8/15/2014 12:36:35 PM
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Dreamkastor… Well said… I believe most people buy things because they are "led to believe"… emphasis on "led" Wall
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Great sizes...I'd be really watching that closely if it were local to me.
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#10 Posted : 8/15/2014 6:59:19 PM
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Originally Posted by: dreamkastor Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: oggy_goodwin Go to Quoted Post

The other killer question I keep asking myself is - price aside, do I need Bubinga shelled sound? I'm ultra happy with the birch starclassics and in my mind, a contrasting set of maple starclassics is probably more in the zone of what I should get next. The idea of multiple drum kits is great, but only as an idea. Naughty

Going to keep an eye on it in any case and see where the market takes that particular kit. Think



You absolutely do NOT need the sound of Bubinga to contrast your birch or anything else and you will go through life without a hitch. In fact I'd say that if you even have to ask then you probably should not bother buying a Bubinga kit. I have birch, maple, bubinga and acylic drums and all the woods sound great in their own way (acrylic nice but below wood imo). Marketing hype aside there are definitely differences in sound - but not as huge of a difference as you might be led to believe IMO. If you have a great kit sound already then you are paying for another great kit sound + maybe 5 - 10% sonic difference. To some it is worth it - to others not so much.



Thanks Dreamkastor - well put. You've essentially articulated an answer to a question I had around whether I specifically need Bubinga (as I've already got birch, and happy with that), and it's tending, for me, towards the answer 'no'. I've compared Birch and Bubinga in the past, and they're not sonically miles apart from one another.

Thanks again!Clap
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#14 Posted : 8/15/2014 7:00:20 PM
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Great sizes...I'd be really watching that closely if it were local to me.


Thanks Aje - yes - I'll be watching to see where the price goes, but at this point, I probably won't be buying.
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#15 Posted : 8/17/2014 3:42:50 PM
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And just to close out the discussion on this one - that kit did finish up selling (but not to me) - for £815.00 - bit less than I would have expected, but probably reasonable enough, all things considered. Think

Thank you to all who contributed some helpful thoughts - you all helped clarify things in my mind - thanks! Clap Happy
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