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philmets
#1 Posted : 8/31/2017 10:03:39 PM
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Hi all,

I wondered if anyone has had the opportunity to compare the latest speed cobra accu-strike beater head (butadiene rubber) to the older iron cobra black rubber beater head? I currently have the latter installed on my 1st generation speed cobra pedals and am considering upgrading. Hoping to get some feedback before I put my hand in my pocket!

Cheers,

Phil
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#2 Posted : 9/1/2017 2:32:47 AM
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I the felt guy on the Speed Cobras.
I'd put the beater right through the head i know it...
Dont give the boy a rock when there's pebbles to throw....Happy
2012.- 9pc. Starclassic Performer B/B. (BNZ)
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philmets on 9/1/2017(UTC)
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#3 Posted : 9/1/2017 11:24:10 AM
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Semi-related (but not actually addressing your question): I had tried using Tama's Rubber Beater on my Iron Cobra about 8-10 years ago. Used it for 2 gigs. Will never use another rubber beater again. Why?

What happened to me: In my (at the time) BIG 80's tribute band, I would tune my kick down fairly low on the batter side and medium on the reso with a moderate amount of dampening via a SuperKick II and a small piece of eggcrate foam that was wedged head-to-head to give me plenty of "bury the beater into the head" punch and it mic'ed-up VERY easily. Sounded pretty good acoustically too.

I wanted to try getting a little more attack from the beater (usually use the felt beater). I had tried using the wood beater, but that was TOO drastic... so for this gig (back-to-back Fri & Sat nights at same venue) I tried the Rubber beater that came with the pedal.

About 4-5 songs into the "Hair Metal" set, I thought I had broken my kick pedal. The base-plate just went down and never came back up. Finished the song we were doing by using the floor-tom for the kick drum pattern (almost nobody noticed). Turns-out... what was happening was the rubber beater was HEATING UP due to friction and sticking/wedging itself to the head.

Because there was enough slack in the batter head and the beater (technically) pushes in & down due to the pivot point and the "give" of the head... it would just keep getting stuck.

The second night (before I realized it was a friction/heat thing)... I washed the rubber beater and head thinking "something sticky" had gotten on them. Nope. mid-way through second set, it happened again... and THAT's when I noticed that the rubber was warm/hot to the touch.

So... that experience put the "fear of god" in me regarding rubber beaters from then-on.
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philmets on 9/1/2017(UTC)
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FWIW, I use the Vic Firth "VicKick" hard felt beater on my Speed Cobra pedal. Love it!
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philmets on 9/1/2017(UTC)
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#4 Posted : 9/1/2017 1:07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by: Starclassic_Scott Go to Quoted Post
Semi-related (but not actually addressing your question): I had tried using Tama's Rubber Beater on my Iron Cobra about 8-10 years ago. Used it for 2 gigs. Will never use another rubber beater again. Why?

What happened to me: In my (at the time) BIG 80's tribute band, I would tune my kick down fairly low on the batter side and medium on the reso with a moderate amount of dampening via a SuperKick II and a small piece of eggcrate foam that was wedged head-to-head to give me plenty of "bury the beater into the head" punch and it mic'ed-up VERY easily. Sounded pretty good acoustically too.

I wanted to try getting a little more attack from the beater (usually use the felt beater). I had tried using the wood beater, but that was TOO drastic... so for this gig (back-to-back Fri & Sat nights at same venue) I tried the Rubber beater that came with the pedal.

About 4-5 songs into the "Hair Metal" set, I thought I had broken my kick pedal. The base-plate just went down and never came back up. Finished the song we were doing by using the floor-tom for the kick drum pattern (almost nobody noticed). Turns-out... what was happening was the rubber beater was HEATING UP due to friction and sticking/wedging itself to the head.

Because there was enough slack in the batter head and the beater (technically) pushes in & down due to the pivot point and the "give" of the head... it would just keep getting stuck.

The second night (before I realized it was a friction/heat thing)... I washed the rubber beater and head thinking "something sticky" had gotten on them. Nope. mid-way through second set, it happened again... and THAT's when I noticed that the rubber was warm/hot to the touch.

So... that experience put the "fear of god" in me regarding rubber beaters from then-on.
:)


Wow, not heard of that before.
I use an Evans black nylon patch and haven't had any issues using the iron cobra rubber head. I switched to rubber from the original speed cobra felt head as the patch was chewing up the felt, gradually wore it right down to the plastic underneath. I do like the patch though, no issues with split heads in all the years I've been using one (10+).
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Zildjian K & K Custom cymbals
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#5 Posted : 9/1/2017 1:54:29 PM
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Originally Posted by: philmets Go to Quoted Post
Wow, not heard of that before.


Yeah... seems like *nobody* else has seen this issue and it happened to me TWICE.
I can replicate it over and over too - (at least back THEN at rehearsals).

[shrug] I guess I am just an anomaly. :)
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#6 Posted : 9/1/2017 5:45:19 PM
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Originally Posted by: Starclassic_Scott Go to Quoted Post
... what was happening was the rubber beater was HEATING UP due to friction and sticking/wedging itself to the head.

I've used a rubber beater for about ten years and love it. No problems whatsoever. Apparently you're too hot to handle.

https://youtu.be/dPuznSe7bmw Dance

I'm now trying a Vic Firth wood beater. It feels heavier, but for my last video, where I barely touched the surface of the kick (not burying the beater), it sounded great. https://youtu.be/cnplGN_NDgE (headphones required if you wanna hear me lightly tapping—heel down—my bubinga kick with no muffling, to minimize the sonic bleed to the other mics).
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philmets on 9/6/2017(UTC)
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#8 Posted : 9/17/2017 10:35:49 AM
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I had the same sticky experience back in the day when the IC rubber beater came out; used it on one gig and it was a nightmare. Have avoided rubber beaters ever since. The new Speed Cobra beater is silicone so it doesn´t stick. For me it´s still the IC felt beater all day long. It gives me a bigger sound than any other beater I´ve tried and I´m a sucker for new gimmicks and gear.
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philmets on 9/17/2017(UTC)
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