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#1 Posted : 3/23/2011 11:51:15 AM
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got quite a simple question. which would be louder,a starclassic maple or B/B kick drum? both 22x18

the reason I ask is I've only had the chance to play a B/B, and I loved the sound but felt on the particular kit I played (might have been badly tuned mind) that the kick drum didn't seem that loud, even though it had a lovely punchy sound.

Even better, anyone fancy posting some vids/soundfiles of either drums, I would be very thankful.

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#2 Posted : 3/23/2011 2:14:29 PM
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I have a 22x20 B/B, and love the sound. With different tunings and different heads, you can get pretty much any sound out of it. However, the B/B is going to be more "boomy" than the maple. The maple with give a very strong and quick punch, with less sustain. Drummers like Chris Adler use maple (although his is maple/walnut, i believe) to get that "punchy get outta the way fast" sound.

Its all personal preference. Bubinga gives the warm deep sustaining tones. Maple gives a more quick punch. As far as loudness, I don't see any difference, my B/B is plenty loud! Plus, if your recording or playing live, you will be mic'd.
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#3 Posted : 3/23/2011 2:53:50 PM
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I think that there is more of a discernilble difference in the smaller toms between maples and B/B's. In my opinion, a big ole bass drum sound will be more affected by factors such as head selection, tuning, muffling and pedal technique.
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#4 Posted : 3/23/2011 3:35:15 PM
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If you want a "LOUD" bass drum, buy the 24x18 or go woz bubinga 26x16 ... but.. as Garrett said ... you are mic'd when playing live so... Why loud ???Shifty
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#5 Posted : 3/23/2011 4:03:46 PM
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I've got two sets, an all-maple and an all-birch kit. Both sets got one Bass Drum each, both of which are 20"x16".
And I agree with Garret: There are many differences in the sound of those drums, but I don't think they are really different in loudness.

I have put on Remo Pinstripe batters and Ambassador Clears as reso heads, which I am sure give them a little more volume than many other, thicker or muffled heads. I muffle my BDs as less as possible. Both are tuned very low - as far as you could speak of 'low tuning' with 20"-Bass Drums. I use Kick Pads on the batters and plastic side beaters for much more attack.

Since my band is not in the least any kind of 'quiet', I have to mic my BD - the maple as well as the birch one (and only the BD) even in our rehearsal room...
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#6 Posted : 3/26/2011 4:56:59 PM
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bumhead wrote:
got quite a simple question. which would be louder,a starclassic maple or B/B kick drum? both 22x18

the reason I ask is I've only had the chance to play a B/B, and I loved the sound but felt on the particular kit I played (might have been badly tuned mind) that the kick drum didn't seem that loud, even though it had a lovely punchy sound.

Even better, anyone fancy posting some vids/soundfiles of either drums, I would be very thankful.

regards

Bumhead


At which point in the room are you concerned with the overall volume?

You do realize that a thicker shell will project out more and give less of a near field experience?

Have someone else play the kit and stand at the other end of the room to find out how it sounds.

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#7 Posted : 3/26/2011 6:32:14 PM
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It depends on the room you play in and where you set up.

Is there a rug under the drum? How far from a wall is the drum set up. What is the wall behind you made of? How warm or cold is it? So many more factors in a drums sound than just what heads you use or what it's made from.
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#8 Posted : 3/27/2011 8:13:05 PM
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Sabianist wrote:
It depends on the room you play in and where you set up.

Is there a rug under the drum? How far from a wall is the drum set up. What is the wall behind you made of? How warm or cold is it? So many more factors in a drums sound than just what heads you use or what it's made from.


All good points.

My drums sound %100 better when the temp is at least 65 degrees F.
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#9 Posted : 3/28/2011 4:38:05 AM
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Six-Ply wrote:
Sabianist wrote:
It depends on the room you play in and where you set up.

Is there a rug under the drum? How far from a wall is the drum set up. What is the wall behind you made of? How warm or cold is it? So many more factors in a drums sound than just what heads you use or what it's made from.


All good points.

My drums sound %100 better when the temp is at least 65 degrees F.



I noticed that too about my drums SCP, 25c seems the best.

They thought I was crazy when I turned the heat up in the studio.
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#10 Posted : 3/28/2011 3:48:57 PM
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Not crazy at all....and you live in Russia where I'm sure the average temp is much lower than here in the NE United States.

I have a 1988 22" Swingstar kick and 16" floor tom that are both Mahogany , my toms are Keller Maple.

The kick extends much lower with more BOOM and the toms are pleasing, round and melodic when the temp is comfortable.

My TAma Birch snare doesn't seems affected so of course it's mainly the lower frequency spectrum that varies with temp.

Wood is after all a living tissue....it still expands and contracts with the temperature and humidity changes.

I'm sure it also has something to do with the mylar drum heads
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