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coinneach
#1 Posted : 9/9/2011 10:21:13 AM
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Anyone have any input on maple vs. bubinga vs. B/B? I have heard that maple kits sound the best as far as general use, but are sensitive to humidity, heat, etc., but bubinga has better attack, but this, but that...I just know I'm not going for a bubinga elite or omni-tune-I'm trying to keep the kit under $20,000 complete.

I plan on dropping quite a bit of cash on a new kit (I'm getting an 11-piece Starclassic with all Zildjian Z3 Custom cymbals, and possibly octobans; I'd post sizes but rather keep this under 1000 words hahaha), so I would like to get some imput from those who have different lines. Currently thinking Bubinga, but want the smokey indigo burst finish (smokey indigo burl burst is my fav to date, but no longer offered...wonder if Tama could recreate it).

Currently, I have a 7-piece Rockstar kit in misty chrome, which is going to my son if his interest in drums stays with him-he's two years old and plays the kit as much as I do (if not more hahaha)...the new kit will be one hell of an upgrade.
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Zildjian / Paiste cymbals (prefer Zildjian)
Remo Pinstripe heads / Evans on snare
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killerkick
#2 Posted : 9/12/2011 9:53:46 AM
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I played a 04' SC maple kit (made in japan wooot!!) till the summer of 10' when I purchased a SCP B/B kit (made in china..still wooot!) both kicks are comparable to me, the maple toms are warmer, the B/B toms more cutting with stronger projection. The "cutting" adjective is a unique sound to me, the higher toms have a sharp attack.
Of course this is all subjective to head propensity to certain degrees.

The last birch kit I had was around 1990, I've slept a lot since then so hard for me to even reminisce concerning the sound, my tuning skills were probably suspect back in the day also. Never owned a full bubinga kit.
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coinneach
#3 Posted : 9/13/2011 10:14:44 AM
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cool; I appreciate the input :) My Rockstar kit I have now is made in Japan, but eh, I'm sure they wouldn't put their name on garbage so China vs. Japan is a moot point-still has the Tama seal of approval.

I heard that birch and bubinga both are a sharper tone than maple-I play thrash primarily, so it would work well I think.
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Zildjian / Paiste cymbals (prefer Zildjian)
Remo Pinstripe heads / Evans on snare
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#4 Posted : 9/13/2011 6:59:31 PM
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Hello Coinne!
I have owned 3 SC Maple kits all 3 9pc. with Gong drum and Octobans Simon Phillips kits. So, last December I ordered my very first Bubinga Elite kit, also a 9pc. with Gong drum and octobans. The difference between the Bubinga and the Maple is the bottom end and the volume, the Bubinga's are louder for sure. I still miss my Maple kit, it was a GREAT KIT!!! However, after hearing the Bubinga's I would never go back.
coinneach
#5 Posted : 9/16/2011 9:56:58 AM
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Hey thanks for the input-I think you just made my decision a lot easier :) Going with bubinga!
Tama Rockstar '97 Misty Chrome-10x12 11x13 12x14 toms; 16x16 floor (2); 6.5x14 snare; 16x22 bass
Zildjian / Paiste cymbals (prefer Zildjian)
Remo Pinstripe heads / Evans on snare
ProMark sticks-white oak 5A nylon
Jake_H
#6 Posted : 9/19/2011 1:02:55 PM
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HI! I currently have a SC Maple (2010), and was able to order everything to be made in Japan with the colour and hardware finish i preferred. So the options to get what you want are all still there, you'll just have to pay a slight premium as though you were paying for Bubinga elites/Omni tune. Hope this helps bud,

Jake
Tama Starclassic Maple, Blue sparkle, Brushed nickel hardware
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16x14-FT
22x18-BD
Ludwig Black Beauty - 6.5x14
Tama Starclassic G-Maple UltraViolet sparkle - 6x14
Tama Starclassic Maple Royal Walnut and Gold Hardware (SFR's) -6.5x14
Zildjian Cymbals
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coinneach
#7 Posted : 9/20/2011 10:20:48 AM
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Just as long as the premium isn't too outrageous hahaha...
Tama Rockstar '97 Misty Chrome-10x12 11x13 12x14 toms; 16x16 floor (2); 6.5x14 snare; 16x22 bass
Zildjian / Paiste cymbals (prefer Zildjian)
Remo Pinstripe heads / Evans on snare
ProMark sticks-white oak 5A nylon
Jake_H
#8 Posted : 9/20/2011 10:31:28 AM
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Well, when i put the order down for the shells, Chinese made, it came to £2200, which is a lot but still reasonable. To then transfer the order to Japan and get the specs i always wanted, I paid £2800 for the shells. So around the £500 to 600 mark. Im not sure if the premium goes up the more shells you order, or whether its a fixed price, but as i saw you're planning to spend incredible amounts of money on them then the premium should be a walk in the park! :-P

Jake
Tama Starclassic Maple, Blue sparkle, Brushed nickel hardware
12x08-RT
14x12-FT
16x14-FT
22x18-BD
Ludwig Black Beauty - 6.5x14
Tama Starclassic G-Maple UltraViolet sparkle - 6x14
Tama Starclassic Maple Royal Walnut and Gold Hardware (SFR's) -6.5x14
Zildjian Cymbals
Roadpro Hardware

www.roninmusicuk.com
fatchoppers
#9 Posted : 9/29/2011 7:14:52 PM
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I own b/b and I love it. The real difference is in the bass drum and the snare. . On another not I owna vintage swingstar and with the right snare I still gig with it Also. But all in all the starclassic wins. The bass drum tuned like a dream out if the box. The whole kit is perfect. Hope that helps ya
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#10 Posted : 10/1/2011 6:47:55 AM
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When I first heard/played Maple I loved it and bought my dream kit (Starclassic Maple 8pc crimson fade).

About 10 years go by and I play/hear a used Bubinga elite kit. I loved it and bought it.

About 1 year later I play/hear a Birch performer kit....this time I thought for sure my two other kits would outclass the birch. I was wrong - I bought the kit!

About a month ago a deal came up on ebay (another Birch performer kit) and - I bought the kit!


I played a session on a friend's B/B kit about a year after they came out....I would have liked to own that kit too!


Am I much help? Probably not - all the kits mentioned are Starclassic and they will each probably nail about 95% of the drum sound you want. That last 5% is what makes them slightly different. I seriously doubt someone would love Maple and then Hate Bubinga. The difference is just nuances and "personality". Imagine you had identical triplets - they all seem very similar but have different personalities that are unique and you love them all (or at least I do!).


The best way to know is to play them both in the same room and compare. Not the easiest way - but the best way.


If I had to make a quick impression:

Bubinga = Dark and sound "big"
Birch = pre eq'd more attack and a little less body
Maple = "middle" bright-lots of resonance.
2005 Starclassic Performer Birch 5pc Black Magic (10"12"14"14x5.5 snare, 22"kick)
2006 Starclassic Performer Birch 5pc Red Sparkle Fade (12"14" 16" 14x6.5 snare 24" kick)
2008 Starclassic Bubinga Elite 4pc in White Pearl w diamond inlay (10"12"14"22")
2002 Arstar Es 4pc Rock Chrome (12"14"16"24")
1998 Starclassic Maple Crimson Fade 8pc (10x10"12x11"14x12"14x5.5snare "16x16" "18x16" 24x18 kick x2)
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latindrum
#11 Posted : 10/17/2011 9:01:32 AM
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Any of the Starclassic lines are great kits. A friend of mine had a maple kit that I really liked. I'm a boutique builder (ontheedgedrumco.com) and I've worked with lots of woods. Birch has always been a favorite of mine. I've been wanting to pick up a Starclassic Performer kit to use as a rental. Recently I bought 2 BB kits. The first one was a kit that has the burl finish that I bought online from a reputable dealer. I fell in love with the finish and the kit sounds absolutely wonderful...and I got it for an unheard of price! The other kit I scored on ebay. There are tons of deals right now if you have cash. This one is a wrapped finish but also sounds killer. The birch/bubinga is very focused and to me has a nice eq'd type of sound. I'm using the wrapped kit as a rental and so far 3 very picky sound guys tell me that this kit sounds better than anything that they've used in quite some time. One guy said that it reminds him a lot of the old Yamaha Recording Customs. Good luck and I'm sure you will love what ever it is you end up with.
marko138
#12 Posted : 10/17/2011 10:55:56 AM
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I know this doesn't help you much, but I have gotten several compliments from sound guys and people in the crowd on the sound of my Starclassic birch kit. You can't go wrong with any line of the Starclassics.
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#13 Posted : 10/20/2011 6:45:51 AM
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Considering that you are buying heavy cymbals I would go with the Bubinga. The maples have very thin shells and they may not put out enough volume for you. The Bubinga shells are a little thicker and should project more.
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Paiste 2002: 22" heavy ride, 14" heavy hi hats, 20" china, 19" crash
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Red Fibrestar
#15 Posted : 11/19/2011 12:51:37 AM
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Trying to not be biased here but for the heavy music you play Bubinga would be IMO the best choice. I played a Birch/Bubinga after I got my Bubinga `07 and really the sound wasn't all that much different. I like them both but the look of a Bubinga elite or whatever it's called now.. Is much nicer looking, I hate the badge on the new China kits!! The maples are nice but are to thin sounding for me!! As far as where they are made.. I want my Tama's to come from the same place the old Superstars did. I think the craftsmen in Japan are the Tits!!
Custom Viper red Fibrestars 14x22 12x8 13x9 16x16 22"bass drum extender
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#16 Posted : 11/21/2011 3:14:55 PM
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Just to throw this out there....My band played a gig this weekend. After the show the sound guy came up to me and said "Man, those drums sound awesome. What are they?" I said "Thanks, they are Tama Starclassics". He goes..."Oh, that's why!" HAHA!
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#14 Posted : 12/12/2011 7:47:34 PM
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Originally Posted by: leatherback Go to Quoted Post
Considering that you are buying heavy cymbals I would go with the Bubinga. The maples have very thin shells and they may not put out enough volume for you.



leatherback, I really doubt this! I play a SC Maple 4pcs w/not only thin but very small shells (10x8, 12x8, 14x11 TT's & 20x16BD) plus a 14x5 wood snare drum with my band, and - hell, we ARE loud, but all of my drums cut through it if I want them to...Clap BTW, I play Vater Fusion sticks, and those are not the fattest ones. Oh yes, the Maples CAN be loud, and they sound very clear and natural at the same time.
I must admit, I never played Bubingas, and so I actually have no comparison, but I never really needed this. I am totally happy with my SC Maples.

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#17 Posted : 12/15/2011 11:11:04 PM
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Really, The whole line up is freaking nice! I prefer the all Bubinga which is why I bought it. Before that i lusted over the old original SC birch. I played one back in `95 and wanted it... The maples sound great very clear and focused not boxy like some of the other high ends I have heard. Though with the focus rings they do get a little boxy but not DW boxy!!

I don't think you can go wrong with the maples, Birch/ Bubingas, or 100% Bubingas. The made in Japan VS China thing.. I think it stinks but this is what companys have to do to survive, We live in a Walmart mentality world where we want inexpensive and say what you want I just have a problem giving my money to that country. The people are great the goverment sucks!!

I will say that if I was buying a new pro kit today and Tama didn't make anything in Japan anymore I would be looking at Gretch, Ludwig, or. C & C/Gladstone. or some USA made company.. Not DW though!!
Custom Viper red Fibrestars 14x22 12x8 13x9 16x16 22"bass drum extender
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Natural matte Superstar 14x24 12x8 13x9 16x16 18x16 20x18 12x8 13x9 gong toms 22x14 20x14 gong drums 8 clear octobans
Matte Indian Rosewood Veneered Superstar 18x28 14x10 14x12 15x12 18x16 custom made for Mick Fleetwood circ.1980
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