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bterrill
#1 Posted : 1/9/2012 6:20:34 AM
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Tama Starclassic B/B Defects

Here is the official list of well-known issues for the Starclassic B/B kits:

Vent Rattle – all toms, all B/B kits – no solution!
Rack toms will not stay in tune (significant issue with lugs) – high percentage of B/B kits
Addition Tom Purchase Delays: This one is really inexcusable – unlike Yamaha/Sonor and most kit manufacturers, Tama stocks NOTHING in the US! This applies to all finishes for the B/B kits. Waiting five months for an additional tom is just laughable by today's standards.

Had I known these issues existed and that Tama refused to take any action to resolve them, I would have never purchased the kit! These items are unacceptable for mid-range drum sets (at a premium price)!

I suggest you stay away from Tama products!
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#2 Posted : 1/9/2012 2:35:34 PM
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I'm sorry you feel that way and hopefully I can help you out...I will need you to answer a few questions.

1 - When did you get your kit?

2 - Are you the original owner?

3 - Do you have a reciept?

4 - When you say "Vent Rattle" do you mean the small ring vents being loose? The way to fix this is simple (if you are under warranty we can take care of this for you) but what you would do is,while making sure the vent is sitting on a hard surface, take a Ball bearing (or something hard and round) about the size of the vent, place it in the inside of the the ring (inside the drum) and tap it with a hammer, this will spread it out and secure it to the drum fixing the Rattle...Like I said it's simple but may not be something you feel comfortable doing yourself.

5 - About your Rack toms not staying in tune...what is the problem with the lugs? are they stripped...not placed correctly? do you have photos? I don't have a lot of info to go on with this one.

Lead times for special order drums...This is highly advertised as the standard wait time for Tama add on drums. It is printed in every catalog and price list we have. I'm sorry if this seems like a long time but we did not try to mislead you in any way. The drums are made to order...Just for you and since this is done overseas, enough time needs to be accounted for to make sure the drums are constructed correctly.

If you are this unhappy with your kit (and are within your stores return period) I suggest you return it to the Authorized Tama Dealer you purchased it from.

if you are outside of the return period and within warranty, we can set you up with a return to us for repair.

also when posting on this forum please try not to post duplicate topics...your post will be answered in a timely manner and does not need to appear in several topics.

Hope this helps

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bterrill
#3 Posted : 1/9/2012 3:44:35 PM
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Originally Posted by: matthew@tama Go to Quoted Post
I'm sorry you feel that way and hopefully I can help you out...I will need you to answer a few questions.

1 - When did you get your kit?

* 12/03/2011 Guitar Center, Naperville IL

2 - Are you the original owner?

* Yes

3 - Do you have a reciept?

* Yes

4 - When you say "Vent Rattle" do you mean the small ring vents being loose? The way to fix this is simple (if you are under warranty we can take care of this for you) but what you would do is,while making sure the vent is sitting on a hard surface, take a Ball bearing (or something hard and round) about the size of the vent, place it in the inside of the the ring (inside the drum) and tap it with a hammer, this will spread it out and secure it to the drum fixing the Rattle...Like I said it's simple but may not be something you feel comfortable doing yourself.

*I will attempt this fix but I'm a bit hesitant for fear of voiding the warranty. Thank you for the suggestion!

5 - About your Rack toms not staying in tune...what is the problem with the lugs? are they stripped...not placed correctly? do you have photos? I don't have a lot of info to go on with this one.

* The issue is simple and has been do--ented on this forum. I have at least one lug on my 10” and 12” tom that come lose at least once per week. I can hear the change in tune and normally see a wrinkle in the head pointing to the specific lug. I tension tune my heads (bottom and top) at 76 and 78 respectively. My kit has moved just once from its original placement in my practice room. This is my fourth kit in the past 15 years and the first with the issue (DW/Yamaha/Sonor). Do you have a solution for this issue?

Lead times for special order drums...This is highly advertised as the standard wait time for Tama add on drums. It is printed in every catalog and price list we have. I'm sorry if this seems like a long time but we did not try to mislead you in any way. The drums are made to order...Just for you and since this is done overseas, enough time needs to be accounted for to make sure the drums are constructed correctly.

* Your resellers do not advertise this policy for obvious reasons. Your competitors (mentioned above) do keep US stock on 8" and 14" toms in all finishes -- so this was a very disturbing surprise as noted.

If you are this unhappy with your kit (and are within your stores return period) I suggest you return it to the Authorized Tama Dealer you purchased it from.

if you are outside of the return period and within warranty, we can set you up with a return to us for repair.

also when posting on this forum please try not to post duplicate topics...your post will be answered in a timely manner and does not need to appear in several topics.

* If you can provide solutions to my issues I will retract all of my posts and report the specifics of Tama serving and resolving customer issues. I do like the sound of the kit and the finish is spectacular! I would prefer to leave positive posts regarding the benefits of Tama drums - I'm an active drummer and expect prompt solutions to do--ented problems. Guitar Center has provided no assistance and my email to Tama (via Website) has gone unanswered.


Hope this helps

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#4 Posted : 1/9/2012 4:14:49 PM
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Alright...

you are under warranty...First I'm going to see if I have solutions to keep you from having to send the kit in...per our warranty policy you would be responsible for shipping here, we would take care of the repair and shipping back.

Give me a little bit of time to figure out the best way to go about it...I still need to talk to my drum guys about your tom lugs, I personally am not terribly familiar with this issue.

please be patient, I will have answers, but I know my guys have a lot on their plates right now, with the NAMM show around the corner

If you want to PM me your contact info we will get into the details on how to fix this, when I have them.

as a reference...here is our warranty policy

http://tama.s3.amazonaws...eight=500&width=600

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#6 Posted : 1/9/2012 5:04:35 PM
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Please check your PM's
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#5 Posted : 1/9/2012 5:17:13 PM
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Originally Posted by: matthew@tama Go to Quoted Post
Alright...

you are under warranty...First I'm going to see if I have solutions to keep you from having to send the kit in...per our warranty policy you would be responsible for shipping here, we would take care of the repair and shipping back.

Give me a little bit of time to figure out the best way to go about it...I still need to talk to my drum guys about your tom lugs, I personally am not terribly familiar with this issue.

please be patient, I will have answers, but I know my guys have a lot on their plates right now, with the NAMM show around the corner

If you want to PM me your contact info we will get into the details on how to fix this, when I have them.

as a reference...here is our warranty policy

http://tama.s3.amazonaws...eight=500&width=600

Thanks


Thanks again for your quick response on these matters! It appears that I've found the proper forum to get these issues resolved!

I can attempt the vent fix as long as I don’t void the warranty. I’ve been advised (through another forum) to try placing a small amount of Vaseline to the bottom of the problem lug bolts to rectify the lug issue. I’m planning to work through both issues this evening.

Now, may I suggest in the JIT/industrialized “deliver immediately” world that I live in, you consider a real-world solution to your five-month lead time on drums. This is unacceptable by anyone’s standards! You competitors (DW, Yamaha, Sonor) have long ago discovered the benefits of stocking common secondary drums (in all stock finishes) in a North American location. It speaks highly to their desire to understand and meet customer demand. We all know 8” and 14” toms are VERY common additions to four/five piece shell kits.

I’ll be at NAMM this year with a customer and will stop at your booth and report my experience regarding these issues.

Thanks you!



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#7 Posted : 1/9/2012 5:27:17 PM
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I'll put in the suggestion for the lead time issue...however it's more the guidlines set up by our factories and parent company, about what can be done, than a practice that was decided on.

A lot of factors come into play, that effect what we can and cannot keep on hand.

we are a realatively small outfit, with many restrictions we have to adhear to...by no means is this intended to slight the customer, more like that is the best we can do to accomidate requests.

but I have no issues passing along your suggestions to those higher up than myself.
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#8 Posted : 1/9/2012 6:35:49 PM
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Maybe it's the age of this person's kit but I've had no issues whatsoever of toms going out of tune.
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#9 Posted : 1/10/2012 3:06:46 AM
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I had the same problem with my toms on my Starclassic Performer BB kit. Get the Tama Hold Tight Washers and the Tama Nylon Washers and put them on where you need them works great. No more detuning.As far as the vents go, i push my drum stick in the hole and press,then pull it out. Works for me. Or go here http://precisiondrum.com and buy a eyelet installation tool for $5.00
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#10 Posted : 1/12/2012 5:28:03 AM
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My 10 cents. My 6 month wait time for a add on Bubinga Elite 14" floor tom in QMB, was made VERY clear by my very experienced brick and mortar salesperson at a real drum shop. Not at GC or an online telephone order taker. A Family owned and operated legit "big time" player in the industry. Drummers are normally very resourceful and can figure out these issues without whining on a forum. Call me old fashioned, but I enjoyed waiting for my kit, I REALLY enjoyed seeing my sales persons face when he saw the QMB and nearly fainted. He said it made him think twice about that DW kit he waited 6-8 months for recently. At least our shells were 100% Bubinga all the way through....and the finish is art!! Peace
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Originally Posted by: danabike Go to Quoted Post
My 10 cents. My 6 month wait time for a add on Bubinga Elite 14" floor tom in QMB, was made VERY clear by my very experienced brick and mortar salesperson at a real drum shop. Not at GC or an online telephone order taker. A Family owned and operated legit "big time" player in the industry. Drummers are normally very resourceful and can figure out these issues without whining on a forum. Call me old fashioned, but I enjoyed waiting for my kit, I REALLY enjoyed seeing my sales persons face when he saw the QMB and nearly fainted. He said it made him think twice about that DW kit he waited 6-8 months for recently. At least our shells were 100% Bubinga all the way through....and the finish is art!! Peace


Tama needs more customers like you -- willing to wait an exorbitant period of time for one drum! Yamaha, DW, PDP and Sonor stock 8" and 14" toms in all popular finishes to meet the logical demand of their customers.
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Originally Posted by: danabike Go to Quoted Post
My 10 cents. My 6 month wait time for a add on Bubinga Elite 14" floor tom in QMB, was made VERY clear by my very experienced brick and mortar salesperson at a real drum shop. Not at GC or an online telephone order taker. A Family owned and operated legit "big time" player in the industry. Drummers are normally very resourceful and can figure out these issues without whining on a forum. Call me old fashioned, but I enjoyed waiting for my kit, I REALLY enjoyed seeing my sales persons face when he saw the QMB and nearly fainted. He said it made him think twice about that DW kit he waited 6-8 months for recently. At least our shells were 100% Bubinga all the way through....and the finish is art!! Peace


Tama needs more customers like you -- willing to wait an exorbitant period of time for one drum! Yamaha, DW, PDP and Sonor stock 8" and 14" toms in all popular finishes to meet the logical demand of their customers.


I'm one of those guys, too. I don't mind the wait. I have a custom ordered Bubinga snare on the way and I'm about ready to order add-on toms for my Silverstar. I have no problems with the wait because it was mentioned to me up front and, it's not about "give me drums now. It's about getting what I think are the best drums in the world. If I have to wait for the best, then I am okay with that. If you are okay with a ready to go inferior product, then go pick up another brand.

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#14 Posted : 1/12/2012 7:34:54 PM
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I ordered a full b/b kit with hyper toms and crystal blue burst finish. Its been a month since so 5 months to go. I don't mind the wait because I have another kit to play and as much as I love drumming there's a lot more other ways to have fun. Plus we talking about tama drums, I thought they made some damn awesome drums. If they saying that it takes 6months for a beast kit then I'm cool with that because I've played a couple tama kits and I have yet to be disappointed. I guess 6months for ONE drum is a bit much but if its an "add" don't that mean you got a beast kit to play in the mean time? All the problems you've mention seems like 5mins to fix. I don't like fixing stuff like that either but that's just the way life is. Things break down and we either fix'em or replace'em. Why so serious?
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Just do what I do, just buy them off a well stocked drum shop and there's many more than just one well stocked drum shop out there. I never ordered a complete kit, add-on drums I have. I have six sets of drums and all were bought off the show room floor. It seems as if almost every drum manufacturer is getting as bad as Pearl when it comes to delivery times.

Dennis
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#16 Posted : 1/13/2012 12:10:27 AM
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Ok, here goes more for the p(*&%sing match. This day and age of "I want it now" BS is sad. I've worked in custom shops for other products that can take up to 2 or 3 years to receive. Tama is a well thought out professional company that evolved and survives because of quality. Only Sonor, in my opinion can stand up to their level. I still own a 70's Maple Slingerland kit that was hand made in Chicago back in the day. Those wait times for custom or add on were similar to current TAMA. If you want it now, go buy McDonalds.
Why do we really have to wait 6 months? It's called INVENTORY management and efficiency. The Japanese are masters of efficiency. Why keep a warehouse with add on drums and wait for someone to order? That's rent, employees to "man" a warehouse, then close out sales at the end of the year that eat into profits if that color/model doesn't sell.
I'm sure your girlfriend keeps you waiting all the time!! It's usually worth the wait! Slow down your life, it goes too fast. Save your speed for the drums!!!
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#20 Posted : 1/13/2012 5:06:33 AM
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I couldn't agree more with what the previous posters have said. We get too caught up in wanting everything now due to our instant-everything culture. The more you wait, the more you appreciate the drum when it finally arrives. Especially knowing it has been handcrafted by Tama. The fact that the logo says Tama is enough reason to wait. They're just fantastic drums! -From the mouth of a 16 year old.
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Originally Posted by: danabike Go to Quoted Post
Ok, here goes more for the p(*&%sing match. This day and age of "I want it now" BS is sad. I've worked in custom shops for other products that can take up to 2 or 3 years to receive. Tama is a well thought out professional company that evolved and survives because of quality. Only Sonor, in my opinion can stand up to their level. I still own a 70's Maple Slingerland kit that was hand made in Chicago back in the day. Those wait times for custom or add on were similar to current TAMA. If you want it now, go buy McDonalds.
Why do we really have to wait 6 months? It's called INVENTORY management and efficiency. The Japanese are masters of efficiency. Why keep a warehouse with add on drums and wait for someone to order? That's rent, employees to "man" a warehouse, then close out sales at the end of the year that eat into profits if that color/model doesn't sell.
I'm sure your girlfriend keeps you waiting all the time!! It's usually worth the wait! Slow down your life, it goes too fast. Save your speed for the drums!!!


What planet are you from??? You obviously have no knowledge of real-world JIT inventory control and supply-chain management. BTW: All Starclassic B/B drums are manufactured/assembled in China!
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#21 Posted : 1/13/2012 6:24:11 AM
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Ok, I'll blow my cover (somewhat)...I work for the largest manufacturer of bicycles in the world. GIANT. We hand make carbon fiber bicycles from the bare thread to the woven sheet. We then blend custom resin and hand lay carbon swatches into molds and use fusion technology to put the rest together. In the end, we can mastercraft a bicycle that's worth anywhere between 2-14K AKA B/B,Bubinga and Bubinga Elite. We also make steel and aluminum from raw alloy/metal. These are cheaper to make but ride very well AKA Imperialstar/Silverstar.

Honestly, In my business , I have never heard of more grown men cry like little children when they can't get their brand new carbon bicycle immediately, when they are fully aware that it's going to take 6-8 months to make and ship. If they want an American made custom bike, they are likely to wait 1-2 years. It takes 3 to 4 years from a certain Italian dude named Dario Pegoretti. Look him up!! If you want USA Custom drums from ???? Do you think they can whip some up in 6 weeks??? Maybe slap some Keller shells together and put some nice wrap on them??? Get real dude, stuff is made everywhere nowadays, our bikes are manufactured in Taiwan, China and the Netherlands.
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#12 Posted : 1/14/2012 8:22:10 PM
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I find the wait as part of the total experience,,,,everyday I wonder what Tama is doing on my drums.They can take their time and do agreat job. I like the idea of build to order,,,keeps cost down.
Originally Posted by: bterrill Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: danabike Go to Quoted Post
My 10 cents. My 6 month wait time for a add on Bubinga Elite 14" floor tom in QMB, was made VERY clear by my very experienced brick and mortar salesperson at a real drum shop. Not at GC or an online telephone order taker. A Family owned and operated legit "big time" player in the industry. Drummers are normally very resourceful and can figure out these issues without whining on a forum. Call me old fashioned, but I enjoyed waiting for my kit, I REALLY enjoyed seeing my sales persons face when he saw the QMB and nearly fainted. He said it made him think twice about that DW kit he waited 6-8 months for recently. At least our shells were 100% Bubinga all the way through....and the finish is art!! Peace


Tama needs more customers like you -- willing to wait an exorbitant period of time for one drum! Yamaha, DW, PDP and Sonor stock 8" and 14" toms in all popular finishes to meet the logical demand of their customers.

Tama drums are the best,,,just deal with it
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#18 Posted : 1/15/2012 5:08:39 PM
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Correct me if I'm wrong people but I thought I read on here that if a drum was made in japan 1st before the switch to china that it can still be made in japan. The b/bs was 1st created in japan and then they started making them in china right? So is that still true today or what?

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Originally Posted by: danabike Go to Quoted Post
Ok, here goes more for the p(*&%sing match. This day and age of "I want it now" BS is sad. I've worked in custom shops for other products that can take up to 2 or 3 years to receive. Tama is a well thought out professional company that evolved and survives because of quality. Only Sonor, in my opinion can stand up to their level. I still own a 70's Maple Slingerland kit that was hand made in Chicago back in the day. Those wait times for custom or add on were similar to current TAMA. If you want it now, go buy McDonalds.
Why do we really have to wait 6 months? It's called INVENTORY management and efficiency. The Japanese are masters of efficiency. Why keep a warehouse with add on drums and wait for someone to order? That's rent, employees to "man" a warehouse, then close out sales at the end of the year that eat into profits if that color/model doesn't sell.
I'm sure your girlfriend keeps you waiting all the time!! It's usually worth the wait! Slow down your life, it goes too fast. Save your speed for the drums!!!


What planet are you from??? You obviously have no knowledge of real-world JIT inventory control and supply-chain management. BTW: All Starclassic B/B drums are manufactured/assembled in China!


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