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Cloudy Finish on my Omni-Tune Snare
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#1 Posted : 9/19/2015 1:44:20 PM

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First time post, long time Tama player.

I own a 5.5" Omni-Tune snare. I like it, and find it fits my sound in a wide variety of rooms, but I actually use it very infrequently. I prefer a 6.5" depth, and since I have a few snares in my arsenal, those shallower than 6.5" don't see much use.

Yesterday, though, I had a jazz gig in a room I don't play frequently. Not knowing which snare would sound best, but desiring something a little snappier response wise, I decided to take the bubinga. When I got to the gig, I noticed the finish on the snare had become all blotchy and cloudy. It almost appears the finish had separated from the wood. Here are my questions...

1) Any chance this is a known issue, and Tama is fixing it for owners? (I'm doubtful, but hopeful.)
2) If not covered under any kind of "recall," does anyone know if Tama refinishes their products? (I'm guessing they don't, since that's not their primary business and they're probably not set up for it.)
3) If I have to go about refinish the snare on my own, what's the top layer? Lacquer? Poly? Something else? I'm just trying to figure out the best way to get that cloudy top layer off. I'm not a woodworker, but pretty good and drum repair, and would probably try it myself.

Thanks in advance.

PS, I sent Tama an email, but it's the weekend, so I thought I'd bring my questions here.
PPS, if there's a mod here, some feedback on the registration process... It could use some tweaking. I'd be happy to share some ideas/tell you my frustrations with the process.

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#2 Posted : 9/19/2015 2:30:10 PM

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brhythm;272832 wrote:
First time post, long time Tama player.

I own a 5.5" Omni-Tune snare. I like it, and find it fits my sound in a wide variety of rooms, but I actually use it very infrequently. I prefer a 6.5" depth, and since I have a few snares in my arsenal, those shallower than 6.5" don't see much use.

Yesterday, though, I had a jazz gig in a room I don't play frequently. Not knowing which snare would sound best, but desiring something a little snappier response wise, I decided to take the bubinga. When I got to the gig, I noticed the finish on the snare had become all blotchy and cloudy. It almost appears the finish had separated from the wood. Here are my questions...

1) Any chance this is a known issue, and Tama is fixing it for owners? (I'm doubtful, but hopeful.)
2) If not covered under any kind of "recall," does anyone know if Tama refinishes their products? (I'm guessing they don't, since that's not their primary business and they're probably not set up for it.)
3) If I have to go about refinish the snare on my own, what's the top layer? Lacquer? Poly? Something else? I'm just trying to figure out the best way to get that cloudy top layer off. I'm not a woodworker, but pretty good and drum repair, and would probably try it myself.

Thanks in advance.

PS, I sent Tama an email, but it's the weekend, so I thought I'd bring my questions here.
PPS, if there's a mod here, some feedback on the registration process... It could use some tweaking. I'd be happy to share some ideas/tell you my frustrations with the process.


I can't answer #1 (sorry, hopefully someone from Tama here or another member can), but I just gained some insight on #2 and #3 after having two pre-owned toms being damaged during shipment...

2) Tama doesn't provide refinishing services, but there are a number of drum shops that do and Tama commonly uses one out of Nashville, TN. If you have to go this route, feel free to PM me.

3) From those discussions I was told the clear coat was a Polyester Lacquer and not Nitrocellulose. Unfortunately, mine are dented so polishing/buffing aren't an option.

Hope this is somewhat helpful and good luck "clearing" up your problem. ;-)
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#3 Posted : 9/19/2015 2:47:23 PM

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Thanks for the quick reply! Looks like a poly lacquer is pretty easily removed with a heat gun. Certainly looks like a do-able option for me.
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#5 Posted : 9/19/2015 2:57:48 PM

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And just because I'm posting images, here are my Starclassic Performers, Amber Gold, 8, 10, 12, 14, 16, 20 kick.

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#6 Posted : 9/19/2015 3:20:02 PM
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How was the drum stored?
What were the climate conditions it was stored in? Humidity, temperature, etc.
How often was it pulled out and used?
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#7 Posted : 9/19/2015 4:10:54 PM
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brythum: Welcome to the forum.

I've restored quite a few Tama drums, and I've never seen or heard of anybody
using a heat gun to strip the lacquer finish off.
In my case I am usually restoring older vintage kits and I have to strip them to bare wood
and then re-stain and re-lacquer.
I find that I have to start with 40 grit sandpaper on a random orbital sander to break through
the lacquer layer. As soon as I hit the stain layer I change to 100 grit and then finish with 220.

It's hard to see the cloudiness in the pictures, but in any case, I get the feeling you are hoping to remove
just the lacquer finish without disturbing the stain finish.
I'm not sure if you can do that with a heat gun ? In fact I can't think of anyway to do that.
I may try a heat gun on a beat up old shell some day to see what happens.

Check with a furniture or instrument restoration shop first.

Nice looking kit.

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1978 ImperialStar Mars 9 kit in Hairline chrome.(outfit #8909),plus 6/8/10/12 concert toms.
1979 SuperStar Super Sunburst kit 22/12/13/14/16 & 6.5" snare
1983 Superstars in Super Mahogany X-tra deep series 22/22/10/11/12/13/14/16/18. 6.5"snare & 8" split lug snare.
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#4 Posted : 9/19/2015 5:20:05 PM

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brhythm;272834 wrote:
Thanks for the quick reply! Looks like a poly lacquer is pretty easily removed with a heat gun. Certainly looks like a do-able option for me.

Hey, no problem. Without sounding like there's any doubt to your expertise, it wouldn't hurt to get a second opinion on less aggressive options before resorting to recoat.

And thanks for sharing the pics. It's definitely a beautiful kit and bet it sounds as good as it looks.
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#8 Posted : 9/19/2015 7:44:40 PM

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I have heard the heat gun works on restoring cloudy lacquer. Softens the lacquer and allows moisture to evaporate (which I believe is the cloudiness). Never tried it, so up to you! It would be ideal to try it on an old beat up drum first.
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#9 Posted : 9/19/2015 8:30:14 PM
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As a person who has refinished a couple of guitars, be careful with the heat gun. With poly it will bubble it up and make it brittle, which is great for removing everything. If trying to get rid of the haze then I would follow advice from those that have used this method successfully.
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#10 Posted : 9/19/2015 10:04:32 PM
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Last year on ebay a seller had a 12" Omni-tune rac tom for sale with the same problem on the same finish. I did not give it to much notice, but now I am wondering if a batch of drums were finished with some bad lacquer,or at the same time due to a wierd reason,,,stuff happens sometimes. Drunk spray painter,,,bad material,,,to much moisture in the air not detected,,,any number of weird reasons. That is all.
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#11 Posted : 9/20/2015 3:59:47 AM
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Now check out the item discription in this ebay auction,,,same thing going on

http://www.ebay.com/itm/...753?hash=item1c594fd671


glad I went piano white lol
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#12 Posted : 9/20/2015 9:18:02 PM

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Thanks for more advice. The drum was stored in my basement, which is finished. It does get damp, and I run a dehumidifier during the summer. You can see the basement in the pic of my kit. You can see the racks on which my snares sit. While dampness may be the issue with the finish, please look at the hardware in the pics. No issue there. My Starclassic kit sits there in the same environment, and it has no finish issues, nor do any of the other 20+ snares or 10 or so kits down there. Is bubinga special in its care? Is it not as "tough" as finishes on other Tama drums?

Should I try to refinish, I'd be taking the entire finish off, not trying to "reset" the finish that's already there.

Removing poly finish from a guitar

I think at that point I'd probably opt for a satin finish of some nature.

With that said, I did notice when taking the pictures that the finish didn't look as bad to me as it did the night before. It may have been the lighting in the restaurant just accentuated the issue. I think at this point I'll probably just leave it be. Who knows, maybe I'll sell it... ;-)
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#13 Posted : 9/20/2015 9:30:03 PM
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Thanks for clarifying. Just want to eliminate variables.

Fogging of a lacquer finish _usually_ indicates humid or wet environs during application of the finish, or, more likely, water in the air line of the sprayer. Needs a complete rub-out to eliminate it. Based on your pics, I wouldn't bother with it, though.

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Well known Tama finishing defect..
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Rosewood;273120 wrote:
Well known Tama finishing defect..
On the Omni-tunes only????? or are their others?
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Rosewood;273120 wrote:
Well known Tama finishing defect..

Proof, please.
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It's well documented..but as far as I know..only on the natural finish Omnitune Bubingas...just Google it..
Basically... Tama screwed up the finish like was said earlier...on a bunch of drums..temperature and humidity problems..in manufacture..
These cloudy drums were sold at a pittance on Ebay as B stock..by some Tama dealers..and a couple of years ago..they were all over the place there..
But some people..were stuck with them...hahaha!..after they bought em brand new..and then...presto change..like the guy above with the rainy day SD...that wasnt used much ..suddenly..wonders..whats up with this..my set looks like mud..hahaha!
So.. the proof as they say..is in the pudding man...just looky see...and yuppy do...my expensive Omni Tune..just changed color on me..hahaha!
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Rosewood;273125 wrote:
So.. the proof as they say..is in the pudding man...


Actually, that's not what they say. The saying is "The proof of the pudding is in the eating."
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Wow...so many humor deficient personages on this forum..so picky...so anal...too bads Mon'...hahaha!
And just so you know..I bought 7 of these exact same wonder drums..and have a very..healthy investment in the Natural Wood Bubinga Omnis...lots of my hard earned cash invested there..
And...every day I go into the drum room..I wonder..are these gonna change on me today Mon'...hahaha!
I find that extremely humorous...extremely..hahaha!
..Tama sells em to you..for top $$$...or one of their dealers sells em to yas that is Mon'..and then...the jokes on you...a rainy day in OZ for you Mon'..clouds....lots of clouds today...hahaha!
But that said..these are easily the highest quality and best constructed drums I've ever played..period...and I've played a lot of em over many many years..from Sonor..to Gretsch..
But..there is no ignoring the issues here...and if yas reallys wants to knows Mon'..just find an honest Tama dealer Mon'...and ask em.."Whats up with the cloudy finish Mon'..?" and theys will tell yas Mon'..exactly whats I just dids Mon'..hahaha!
But that's the least of yas worries Mons'...on the Omnis...
Yas reallys gots to worries abouts...the touchy fancy lugs Mon'...and hows the hell Mons'..are you gonna fix em Mon'..when theys don't workz too wellz anymore... as they are VERY...problem prone Mon'...
Like I saids Mon'..dez are the nicest drums I've ever played..and some of the greatest sounding too..but dey are like de fancy Sports Car Mon'...they are high maintainence Mon'..when something goes wrong on em..you are up the creek w/o a paddle as there are no more spare parts for em anymore Mon'
So if yas likz your Omnis Mon'..takes good care of em..as you don't want something going wrong on the gig..or in the studio..esp with the mounts or lugs...especially..





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