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Are there Japanese made B/B drums?
ohlarikd
#1 Posted : 5/7/2016 1:07:01 AM

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There is a difference in Part Numbers on the USA site versus the Japanese site. Are the B/Bs therefore optionally made in Japan versus China?

Japanese B/B Site

USA Site


USA Part Number: PP Sparkle Finish
Japanese Part Number: PL Sparkle Finish


EDIT: Translating the Japanese Site:


For TAMA drum, and birch, which continue to be one for a long time the main shell material, even in the "face" of TAMA high-end drum some bubinga. Starclassic Performer B / B employs a hybrid shell that combines these two timber, MADE IN JAPAN drum series. Kosi in is there Birch sound warm, the sound with a strong presence that plus a attack that punchy of bubinga it features.


I also see different badges...
2015 Starclassic Bubinga, Made in Japan, LUM Magnetic Orange / Chrome, 24x16/13x9/16x14
Straight T Badge CW Superstars, 6/8/10/12/XX/13/15/18/24x16/24x16
2014 Silverstar Maple (Dale's Drum Shop Exclusive), Super Honey Burst, 10x8/12x9/16x14/22x18 with matching 14x6 snare
2011-2012(?) Silverstar Birch Transparent Blue Burst, 10x8/12x9/16x14/22x18 with matching 14x5 snare
Snares: Starclassic Select Walnut 14x5.5, 40th Anniversary CW 14x6.5, Silverstar Mirage 14x6, Metalworks Satin Bronze 14x6, Superstar Classic Cherry Wine 14x6.5
4 Starclassic Lug High Pitch Octobans with Stilt stand
Need 80-83 Straight T Badge Superstar, stained bearing edge, Cherry Wine: 12x8
Want: Superstar Hyperdrive Maples
Want: 2012 Starclassic Select Walnut kit
Want: Silverstars Transparent Black VL84RBD2
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Stewart Moonrichozzio on 5/7/2016(UTC)
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#2 Posted : 5/7/2016 3:02:16 AM
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Good read, jump to "Fact: Quality is key" for your answer... assuming nothing has mysteriously changed.
Outfits:
Starclassic Maple Magnetic Orange - 8x7,10x8,12x9,16x14,22x18 - Bright Blue 12x10
Starclassic Performer B/B Lacquered Azure Oyster - 12x8,14x14,18x14

Snares:
Zebrawood - Indigo Zebrawood Burst
Star Zebrawood - Oiled Natural Zebrawood
Starphonic Maple Mappa Burl 14x6
Starphonic Aluminum

Cymbals:
Paiste Signature Reflector - 8" Splash, 16" Full Crash, 18" Full Crash
Paiste Signature - 10" Splash, 14" Dark Crisp Hats, 22" Blue Bell Ride
Paiste Twenty Masters - 20" Blue Bird Sweet Ride
Paiste 3000 - 13" Sound Edge Bottom
Paiste 2002 - 4" Accent

Hardware:
Tama Roadpro, Speed Cobra single, Speed Cobra Lever Glide HiHat, Iron Cobra Lever Glide HiHat, Tama First Chair Throne HT350E5 ( w/fringe :-0 )

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Well, opinions vary.
2015 Starclassic Bubinga, Made in Japan, LUM Magnetic Orange / Chrome, 24x16/13x9/16x14
Straight T Badge CW Superstars, 6/8/10/12/XX/13/15/18/24x16/24x16
2014 Silverstar Maple (Dale's Drum Shop Exclusive), Super Honey Burst, 10x8/12x9/16x14/22x18 with matching 14x6 snare
2011-2012(?) Silverstar Birch Transparent Blue Burst, 10x8/12x9/16x14/22x18 with matching 14x5 snare
Snares: Starclassic Select Walnut 14x5.5, 40th Anniversary CW 14x6.5, Silverstar Mirage 14x6, Metalworks Satin Bronze 14x6, Superstar Classic Cherry Wine 14x6.5
4 Starclassic Lug High Pitch Octobans with Stilt stand
Need 80-83 Straight T Badge Superstar, stained bearing edge, Cherry Wine: 12x8
Want: Superstar Hyperdrive Maples
Want: 2012 Starclassic Select Walnut kit
Want: Silverstars Transparent Black VL84RBD2
Geri48
#4 Posted : 5/7/2016 6:29:01 AM
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Originally Posted by: ohlarikd Go to Quoted Post

Well, opinions vary.


+1

I also always wondered whether their domestic market gets all the Starclassic series made in Japan. Happy

We'd need to see the badge. If it says "Tama Drum Japan". And I noticed that on their "Gallery" section all the drumsets still have the older style badges.
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My Tama gear:
Tama Stewart Copeland signature - SC145 chrome over brass snare drum.
Roadpro hardware, Iron Cobra hi hat stand, Multi Clamps, etc.
Tama 1st throne
Stewart Moonrichozzio
#5 Posted : 5/7/2016 12:18:06 PM
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Nice catch oh. I think you're the first to notice that there are MIJ B/Bs.
Outfits:
Starclassic Maple Magnetic Orange - 8x7,10x8,12x9,16x14,22x18 - Bright Blue 12x10
Starclassic Performer B/B Lacquered Azure Oyster - 12x8,14x14,18x14

Snares:
Zebrawood - Indigo Zebrawood Burst
Star Zebrawood - Oiled Natural Zebrawood
Starphonic Maple Mappa Burl 14x6
Starphonic Aluminum

Cymbals:
Paiste Signature Reflector - 8" Splash, 16" Full Crash, 18" Full Crash
Paiste Signature - 10" Splash, 14" Dark Crisp Hats, 22" Blue Bell Ride
Paiste Twenty Masters - 20" Blue Bird Sweet Ride
Paiste 3000 - 13" Sound Edge Bottom
Paiste 2002 - 4" Accent

Hardware:
Tama Roadpro, Speed Cobra single, Speed Cobra Lever Glide HiHat, Iron Cobra Lever Glide HiHat, Tama First Chair Throne HT350E5 ( w/fringe :-0 )

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Stewart Moonrichozzio
#6 Posted : 5/7/2016 12:24:58 PM
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Here's a pic from the Japan site...



Only says made in japan on the label inside I suppose.
Outfits:
Starclassic Maple Magnetic Orange - 8x7,10x8,12x9,16x14,22x18 - Bright Blue 12x10
Starclassic Performer B/B Lacquered Azure Oyster - 12x8,14x14,18x14

Snares:
Zebrawood - Indigo Zebrawood Burst
Star Zebrawood - Oiled Natural Zebrawood
Starphonic Maple Mappa Burl 14x6
Starphonic Aluminum

Cymbals:
Paiste Signature Reflector - 8" Splash, 16" Full Crash, 18" Full Crash
Paiste Signature - 10" Splash, 14" Dark Crisp Hats, 22" Blue Bell Ride
Paiste Twenty Masters - 20" Blue Bird Sweet Ride
Paiste 3000 - 13" Sound Edge Bottom
Paiste 2002 - 4" Accent

Hardware:
Tama Roadpro, Speed Cobra single, Speed Cobra Lever Glide HiHat, Iron Cobra Lever Glide HiHat, Tama First Chair Throne HT350E5 ( w/fringe :-0 )

latest addition(s)
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Geri48 on 5/7/2016(UTC)
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#7 Posted : 5/7/2016 3:31:12 PM
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I analysed it a bit more, and figured out the old badges are just "old photos".. Some photos of Bubinga and Maple Starclassics on the Japanese webpage have old and some have new decals.
But one difference I could really pinpoint is the snare strainer.. Whereas butt-end are MCS70B on both Japanese and European/USA webpage, but the strainer itself is MUS80A on Japanese webpage, but MCS70A for the rest of the world.

As far as the finishes, there's nothing special.. But I remember they used to offer Sunny Yellow Lacquer for Japan. This finish was never present on Made in China products.



P.S.: I checked the Japanese catalogue.. On page 23 it says: "Starclassic, Handcrafted in Japan"

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It's like a sauna in here.

My Tama gear:
Tama Stewart Copeland signature - SC145 chrome over brass snare drum.
Roadpro hardware, Iron Cobra hi hat stand, Multi Clamps, etc.
Tama 1st throne
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#8 Posted : 5/7/2016 8:16:49 PM

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Originally Posted by: Geri48 Go to Quoted Post
I analysed it a bit more, and figured out the old badges are just "old photos".. Some photos of Bubinga and Maple Starclassics on the Japanese webpage have old and some have new decals.
But one difference I could really pinpoint is the snare strainer.. Whereas butt-end are MCS70B on both Japanese and European/USA webpage, but the strainer itself is MUS80A on Japanese webpage, but MCS70A for the rest of the world.

As far as the finishes, there's nothing special.. But I remember they used to offer Sunny Yellow Lacquer for Japan. This finish was never present on Made in China products.



P.S.: I checked the Japanese catalogue.. On page 23 it says: "Starclassic, Handcrafted in Japan"

Happy




The photos show the new 2015 hardware though, with old badges. So I don't think they are old photos unless there was some photoshop trickery going on.


2015 Starclassic Bubinga, Made in Japan, LUM Magnetic Orange / Chrome, 24x16/13x9/16x14
Straight T Badge CW Superstars, 6/8/10/12/XX/13/15/18/24x16/24x16
2014 Silverstar Maple (Dale's Drum Shop Exclusive), Super Honey Burst, 10x8/12x9/16x14/22x18 with matching 14x6 snare
2011-2012(?) Silverstar Birch Transparent Blue Burst, 10x8/12x9/16x14/22x18 with matching 14x5 snare
Snares: Starclassic Select Walnut 14x5.5, 40th Anniversary CW 14x6.5, Silverstar Mirage 14x6, Metalworks Satin Bronze 14x6, Superstar Classic Cherry Wine 14x6.5
4 Starclassic Lug High Pitch Octobans with Stilt stand
Need 80-83 Straight T Badge Superstar, stained bearing edge, Cherry Wine: 12x8
Want: Superstar Hyperdrive Maples
Want: 2012 Starclassic Select Walnut kit
Want: Silverstars Transparent Black VL84RBD2
Geri48
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Oh, I guess a mixed up something. I had in mind that the new hardware was introduced for 2015 and the new badges for 2016. My memory is playing tricks on me lately Wall
It's like a sauna in here.

My Tama gear:
Tama Stewart Copeland signature - SC145 chrome over brass snare drum.
Roadpro hardware, Iron Cobra hi hat stand, Multi Clamps, etc.
Tama 1st throne
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Originally Posted by: Geri48 Go to Quoted Post
Oh, I guess a mixed up something. I had in mind that the new hardware was introduced for 2015 and the new badges for 2016. My memory is playing tricks on me lately Wall


You could be right - I don't have any link to the 2015 catalog or website. So I don't know what the badges were in 2015, what the part numbers were, or if the 2015 website also said made in Japan.


2015 Starclassic Bubinga, Made in Japan, LUM Magnetic Orange / Chrome, 24x16/13x9/16x14
Straight T Badge CW Superstars, 6/8/10/12/XX/13/15/18/24x16/24x16
2014 Silverstar Maple (Dale's Drum Shop Exclusive), Super Honey Burst, 10x8/12x9/16x14/22x18 with matching 14x6 snare
2011-2012(?) Silverstar Birch Transparent Blue Burst, 10x8/12x9/16x14/22x18 with matching 14x5 snare
Snares: Starclassic Select Walnut 14x5.5, 40th Anniversary CW 14x6.5, Silverstar Mirage 14x6, Metalworks Satin Bronze 14x6, Superstar Classic Cherry Wine 14x6.5
4 Starclassic Lug High Pitch Octobans with Stilt stand
Need 80-83 Straight T Badge Superstar, stained bearing edge, Cherry Wine: 12x8
Want: Superstar Hyperdrive Maples
Want: 2012 Starclassic Select Walnut kit
Want: Silverstars Transparent Black VL84RBD2
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#11 Posted : 5/11/2016 6:45:01 PM
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So, are these MIJ B/B's available for custom order?
2001 Starclassic Performer 100% Birch Transparent Green
22x16
8x8
10x9
12x10
14x12


Paiste Cymbals
Vic Firth Sticks
Evans Drumheads
Tama Speedcobra Double Pedal

mounted on Tama Star & Roadpro Hardware
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Originally Posted by: BlastBeat Go to Quoted Post
So, are these MIJ B/B's available for custom order?


I don't see why not. I did the same with the Bubingas using Japanese part numbers, and they got made in Japan. Interesting option I think.
2015 Starclassic Bubinga, Made in Japan, LUM Magnetic Orange / Chrome, 24x16/13x9/16x14
Straight T Badge CW Superstars, 6/8/10/12/XX/13/15/18/24x16/24x16
2014 Silverstar Maple (Dale's Drum Shop Exclusive), Super Honey Burst, 10x8/12x9/16x14/22x18 with matching 14x6 snare
2011-2012(?) Silverstar Birch Transparent Blue Burst, 10x8/12x9/16x14/22x18 with matching 14x5 snare
Snares: Starclassic Select Walnut 14x5.5, 40th Anniversary CW 14x6.5, Silverstar Mirage 14x6, Metalworks Satin Bronze 14x6, Superstar Classic Cherry Wine 14x6.5
4 Starclassic Lug High Pitch Octobans with Stilt stand
Need 80-83 Straight T Badge Superstar, stained bearing edge, Cherry Wine: 12x8
Want: Superstar Hyperdrive Maples
Want: 2012 Starclassic Select Walnut kit
Want: Silverstars Transparent Black VL84RBD2
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Originally Posted by: ohlarikd Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: BlastBeat Go to Quoted Post
So, are these MIJ B/B's available for custom order?


I don't see why not. I did the same with the Bubingas using Japanese part numbers, and they got made in Japan. Interesting option I think.



Indeed an interesting option since the MIJ drums go through a quality inspection before packaged. The lack of the quality inspection is what seperates the MIC from MIJ. I have read so much about MIC drums beeing out of round and other issues that I hesitate to purchase MIC Tama's.
2001 Starclassic Performer 100% Birch Transparent Green
22x16
8x8
10x9
12x10
14x12


Paiste Cymbals
Vic Firth Sticks
Evans Drumheads
Tama Speedcobra Double Pedal

mounted on Tama Star & Roadpro Hardware
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Originally Posted by: BlastBeat Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: ohlarikd Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: BlastBeat Go to Quoted Post
So, are these MIJ B/B's available for custom order?


I don't see why not. I did the same with the Bubingas using Japanese part numbers, and they got made in Japan. Interesting option I think.



Indeed an interesting option since the MIJ drums go through a quality inspection before packaged. The lack of the quality inspection is what seperates the MIC from MIJ. I have read so much about MIC drums beeing out of round and other issues that I hesitate to purchase MIC Tama's.

That's interesting. My Starclassic Maples were made in China and they are perfect. I was concerned about the made in China thing before I purchased them. I even contacted a friend of mine who is a Tama artist and has played Starclassic Maples for a lot of years (from the beginning) to ask him what he thought of the made in China issue. His response was that he has played a lot of gigs on rental Starclassic Maples that were made in China and they were fine. This has certainly been the case with my set. The quality seems very high to me and they sound fantastic.
2011 Starclassic Maples in Dark Mocha Burst
Starphonic Bubinga snare
SLP Classic Maple snare
Zildjian K, K Custom and A Custom cymbals

1980 Superstars in Super Mahogany
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Hopefully this thread will answer some questions and quell doubts about Tama's MIC quality.

http://forum.tama.com/ya...ama-s-Move-to-China.aspx
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I have both Japanese made Starclassics and Chinese made Starclassics... I see NO discernable differences.
This subject has been talked about now for the past few years and I have read peoples opinions.. this is my opinion.... Tama is Tama, regardless of where they are made. :-)
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There are different people making these drums in China and Japan. These are not machine made. You decide who has a more vested interest in quality control.

2015 Starclassic Bubinga, Made in Japan, LUM Magnetic Orange / Chrome, 24x16/13x9/16x14
Straight T Badge CW Superstars, 6/8/10/12/XX/13/15/18/24x16/24x16
2014 Silverstar Maple (Dale's Drum Shop Exclusive), Super Honey Burst, 10x8/12x9/16x14/22x18 with matching 14x6 snare
2011-2012(?) Silverstar Birch Transparent Blue Burst, 10x8/12x9/16x14/22x18 with matching 14x5 snare
Snares: Starclassic Select Walnut 14x5.5, 40th Anniversary CW 14x6.5, Silverstar Mirage 14x6, Metalworks Satin Bronze 14x6, Superstar Classic Cherry Wine 14x6.5
4 Starclassic Lug High Pitch Octobans with Stilt stand
Need 80-83 Straight T Badge Superstar, stained bearing edge, Cherry Wine: 12x8
Want: Superstar Hyperdrive Maples
Want: 2012 Starclassic Select Walnut kit
Want: Silverstars Transparent Black VL84RBD2
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Originally Posted by: ohlarikd Go to Quoted Post
There are different people making these drums in China and Japan. These are not machine made. You decide who has a more vested interest in quality control.


Not trying to argue... but here is an excerpt from the article CB Photo posted above:

"Anyway, we at Tama chose not to go the same route. We wanted to have 100% control, we wanted to make sure that if we put our name on the product, it had to match our standards. We knew for that to happen, we had to build them ourselves. We didn’t want to hand some “hired gun” factory a blueprint and say “Here you go, build them like this, we’ll be back tomorrow with a truck, some Tama badges, and Tama boxes.” So for the most part, the decision was made to take a very bold step. We decided to build our own factory. We started this venture in 2002.

Fact: We own our own factory in Guangzhou China: We built it from the ground up, one brick at a time. We moved a number of our most highly skilled Japanese craftsmen to China to train the local workers how to build drums “The Tama way.” These Japanese craftsmen live in Guangzhou, they do not live in Japan and simply visit once in a while to spot-check. They are an integral part of the daily staff, working “elbow to elbow” alongside the local crew. They adhere to the most stringent quality control standards, the very same ones we use in Japan. You may or may not be surprised to know we operated the factory at our own expense for well over a year making blanks (test shells), before we ever shipped one drum into the market. We wanted to make sure our Chinese production quality level was an exact match to the Japanese factory standards. The same exact standards we built our reputation on.

Fact: Quality is key: The first series we made in China was Superstar. After this series was critically acclaimed and well accepted by the market, we slowly transitioned our Starclassic B/B drums to Chinese production. Originally, all B/B kits were made only in Japan. In the first year of transition, some colors were made only in Japan. Other colors were made only in China. Eventually, the entire B/B product line was shifted to China. The end result was…Uh, well… nobody noticed... Sure, a few folks asked “Why doesn’t my badge say Made In Japan anymore?” The obvious answer- Because it’s not. The big question: “Does it look and sound as good as it should as a Tama product, though it’s now made in China?” Overwhelmingly, the response has been “Yes!” Sales on B/B kits are flying! If the quality wasn’t there, and the price wasn’t right, no one would buy it… Agreed?

Fact: The economy affected us all: Once we felt the quality was 10000% the same as Japan, we decided to slowly move some of the other high-end kits to China. And in some respects, timing couldn’t have been better. Though this planned move had been discussed years before, the world’s economic shift escalated our timeline. Before we knew it, the economy had started to collapse. In some ways, we had to wonder, was this “a sign” to move forward? The end result was, we were able bring Japanese quality level drums into the market for hundreds (or thousands, depending on the size of your kit) of dollars cheaper than they once were. One might ask, is this such a bad thing?"


Like I said, my "MIC" Starclassic Maples look to me to be exceptional quality and they sound fantastic. A friend of mine who is a Tama artist and has played Starclassic Maples since they first came out told me he hasn't seen any difference in the "MIC" Starclassic Maple rental drums he's played at various gigs.
2011 Starclassic Maples in Dark Mocha Burst
Starphonic Bubinga snare
SLP Classic Maple snare
Zildjian K, K Custom and A Custom cymbals

1980 Superstars in Super Mahogany
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I am not going to knock the China drums here. But do some searching. The issues I had are the same as others had. I am certainly not the first.

I feel that over time, things have gotten worse. From Day 1, things may have been fine, but over time... you know how that goes. I don't have enough stats to make any definitive conclusions, but the only China drums I will buy will be used, due to my experiences.

BUT, B/B drums from Japan sound intriguing, but pricey of course (which is why production went to China)

2015 Starclassic Bubinga, Made in Japan, LUM Magnetic Orange / Chrome, 24x16/13x9/16x14
Straight T Badge CW Superstars, 6/8/10/12/XX/13/15/18/24x16/24x16
2014 Silverstar Maple (Dale's Drum Shop Exclusive), Super Honey Burst, 10x8/12x9/16x14/22x18 with matching 14x6 snare
2011-2012(?) Silverstar Birch Transparent Blue Burst, 10x8/12x9/16x14/22x18 with matching 14x5 snare
Snares: Starclassic Select Walnut 14x5.5, 40th Anniversary CW 14x6.5, Silverstar Mirage 14x6, Metalworks Satin Bronze 14x6, Superstar Classic Cherry Wine 14x6.5
4 Starclassic Lug High Pitch Octobans with Stilt stand
Need 80-83 Straight T Badge Superstar, stained bearing edge, Cherry Wine: 12x8
Want: Superstar Hyperdrive Maples
Want: 2012 Starclassic Select Walnut kit
Want: Silverstars Transparent Black VL84RBD2
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My friend Shintora from Japan says the Tama that he gets is the same but only better. I think he is joshing me. He says that what we get in US is only what you American consumers do.

He was josh in me.
What I got out of him was that is his homeland and he'll stand by Tama Japan but will let me know honestly what Japan has to offer vrs. Chi nanny
2012.- 9pc. Starclassic Performer B/B. (BNZ)
7x8,9x10,10x12,12x14,14x16,16x18" toms.
2-18x22" kicks (one virgin).
5.5 x14" matching snare
Speed Cobra single pedals & Road Pro hardware.
Sabian AAX Series: 14" Studio hats. 16,17,18,19" Raw Bell Xplosion crashes. 21" Stage ride. 20" Custom Vault china. 10,12" splashes.

2008.- 5pc. Imperialstar (PB).
12,13,16" toms.
18x22" kick.
5.5 x14" matching snare
Speed Cobra double pedal & Stagemaster hardware.
Zildjian ZHT Rock Series: 14" hats. 16,18" Fast crashes. 20" ride. 18" china. 8" splash.
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