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Gajdzin
#1 Posted : 3/12/2017 6:32:26 PM
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Just discovered that Sennheiser e604 mics won't fit on my Tama Star toms... The rubber clip can be squeezed onto the starcast hoop, but it interferes with the free motion of the Star mount.
Sennheiser e604 with tom mount
Now I have to look for some 3rd party mount for the 2 rack tom mics. Any recommendations? Ideally something small, unobrtusive and elastic, like the original e604 clips...

I did some research and it's not a simple problem. There are mounts that grab the very edge of the hoop, but I heard they tend to slip from the tom's vibrations:

Then there are those that grab the top and the bottom of the hoop, but those will always interfere with the free movement of the tom in the Star mount, i.e. the changing distance between the hoop and the mount surrounding the tom:
Kits:
- Tama Star Maple (SMP) 10x8, 12x9, 14x14, 16x16, 22x18
- Tama Star Walnut (RBW) 10x7, 12x8, 16x16, 22x16
- Gretsch Club 10x7, 12x8, 14x14, 20x16
Snares:
- Noble & Cooley Solid Maple 14x7
- Canopus Zelkova 14x6.5
- Sonor ProLite 14x6
- Ludwig Black Beauty 14x6.5
- Sakae Almighty Maple 14x6.5
- Gretsch Full Range Maple 14x6.5
- Yamaha Sensitive Maple 13x6.5
- Pearl Omar Hakim 13x5
- Tama piccolo 13x3
- Self-made Corian 13x5

Cymbals:
- Paiste Signature
- Sabian HHX evo
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#2 Posted : 3/12/2017 8:59:27 PM
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I was going to suggest these. Looks like the bottom of the clip is not as large as on the Sennheiser. Granted it's a whole different mic but it just might work.


http://www.audixusa.com/...its/MicroD.shtml#photos5
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Gajdzin on 3/13/2017(UTC)
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#4 Posted : 3/12/2017 9:04:24 PM
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Looks like you can also buy those clips separately


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6pc Tama SCM - Maple Reserve Medit. Sea Blue w/abalone inlay
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5pc Tama B/B - White Silk ( http://youtu.be/uBYUs0ICvNY )
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#5 Posted : 3/12/2017 10:34:20 PM
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That's unfortunate!

The Tama MHAM10 is the best idea, but no longer available. I wish Tama would bring them back to the market (as the last photo shows, they could be made fairly easily).

Edit: I have one of these. If I have time, I'll see it potentially works on the Starcast mount.







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Gajdzin on 3/13/2017(UTC)
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#8 Posted : 3/13/2017 6:34:09 AM
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Audix D-vice tom clips also don't fit between the hoop and the Starcast mount (neither on Starclassics nor on Stars). In this case you have to use cymbal stands and mount the toms from the side to get the Starcast mount out of the way.

I often used these and they worked: https://www.thomann.de/de/audio_technica_at_8665.htm

This could also be an option: https://www.thomann.de/de/km_24030_mikrofonhalterung.htm
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#3 Posted : 3/13/2017 6:57:49 AM
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Originally Posted by: TamaDudeNJ Go to Quoted Post
I was going to suggest these. Looks like the bottom of the clip is not as large as on the Sennheiser. Granted it's a whole different mic but it just might work.

http://www.audixusa.com/...its/MicroD.shtml#photos5

Yes, these could probably even be clipped onto the tom holder rod, which would be the best solution. However, they won't hold my Sennheisers...
Kits:
- Tama Star Maple (SMP) 10x8, 12x9, 14x14, 16x16, 22x18
- Tama Star Walnut (RBW) 10x7, 12x8, 16x16, 22x16
- Gretsch Club 10x7, 12x8, 14x14, 20x16
Snares:
- Noble & Cooley Solid Maple 14x7
- Canopus Zelkova 14x6.5
- Sonor ProLite 14x6
- Ludwig Black Beauty 14x6.5
- Sakae Almighty Maple 14x6.5
- Gretsch Full Range Maple 14x6.5
- Yamaha Sensitive Maple 13x6.5
- Pearl Omar Hakim 13x5
- Tama piccolo 13x3
- Self-made Corian 13x5

Cymbals:
- Paiste Signature
- Sabian HHX evo
Gajdzin
#6 Posted : 3/13/2017 7:06:05 AM
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Originally Posted by: CB_Photo Go to Quoted Post
That's unfortunate!

The Tama MHAM10 is the best idea, but no longer available. I wish Tama would bring them back to the market (as the last photo shows, they could be made fairly easily).

Oh, these look like are a brillant idea! I hope Tama comes up with something similar again.

Now the Shure mount you linked to would not work on the Star mount, I think, because of it's built in "wobble". After you hit a tom it starts moving and the distance between its top hoop and the arms of the Star mounting system changes from something like 5mm to almost 0mm. Any clip you put in that slot will interfere with the tom free movement. Any large clip (like the Shure) you put between the top of the top hoop and the bottom of the star mount arm will restrict their movement even more.
Kits:
- Tama Star Maple (SMP) 10x8, 12x9, 14x14, 16x16, 22x18
- Tama Star Walnut (RBW) 10x7, 12x8, 16x16, 22x16
- Gretsch Club 10x7, 12x8, 14x14, 20x16
Snares:
- Noble & Cooley Solid Maple 14x7
- Canopus Zelkova 14x6.5
- Sonor ProLite 14x6
- Ludwig Black Beauty 14x6.5
- Sakae Almighty Maple 14x6.5
- Gretsch Full Range Maple 14x6.5
- Yamaha Sensitive Maple 13x6.5
- Pearl Omar Hakim 13x5
- Tama piccolo 13x3
- Self-made Corian 13x5

Cymbals:
- Paiste Signature
- Sabian HHX evo
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#7 Posted : 3/13/2017 12:41:38 PM
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Originally Posted by: Gajdzin Go to Quoted Post
. . . Now the Shure mount you linked to would not work on the Star mount . . .

Nope, but I was planning on mouting elsewhere. I hope to show you my idea in the near future, but will be away from my kit for several weeks. :(
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Gajdzin on 3/14/2017(UTC)
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#9 Posted : 3/14/2017 6:17:10 AM
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I really wanted something small and unobtrusive, much like the original Sennheiser rubber clip. There are a few solutions that grab the tip of the diecast hoop, but some of them have an opinion of being not very secure. This one, however, has good opinions, so I ordered 2 and we'll see:

Kits:
- Tama Star Maple (SMP) 10x8, 12x9, 14x14, 16x16, 22x18
- Tama Star Walnut (RBW) 10x7, 12x8, 16x16, 22x16
- Gretsch Club 10x7, 12x8, 14x14, 20x16
Snares:
- Noble & Cooley Solid Maple 14x7
- Canopus Zelkova 14x6.5
- Sonor ProLite 14x6
- Ludwig Black Beauty 14x6.5
- Sakae Almighty Maple 14x6.5
- Gretsch Full Range Maple 14x6.5
- Yamaha Sensitive Maple 13x6.5
- Pearl Omar Hakim 13x5
- Tama piccolo 13x3
- Self-made Corian 13x5

Cymbals:
- Paiste Signature
- Sabian HHX evo
Gajdzin
#10 Posted : 4/2/2017 3:32:22 PM
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OK, so I bought the 2 mounts mentioned in the post above, and they are doing the job, albeit with one problem: no height adjustment and the mics are positioned too high: 3.5" above the drumhead. 2" is what I normally use to avoid excessive cross-talk. This K&K mount appears to be designed with something like Shure SM57 in mind, not a short mic like Sennheiser e604.





They will do as a temporary solution, but the search is on...
Kits:
- Tama Star Maple (SMP) 10x8, 12x9, 14x14, 16x16, 22x18
- Tama Star Walnut (RBW) 10x7, 12x8, 16x16, 22x16
- Gretsch Club 10x7, 12x8, 14x14, 20x16
Snares:
- Noble & Cooley Solid Maple 14x7
- Canopus Zelkova 14x6.5
- Sonor ProLite 14x6
- Ludwig Black Beauty 14x6.5
- Sakae Almighty Maple 14x6.5
- Gretsch Full Range Maple 14x6.5
- Yamaha Sensitive Maple 13x6.5
- Pearl Omar Hakim 13x5
- Tama piccolo 13x3
- Self-made Corian 13x5

Cymbals:
- Paiste Signature
- Sabian HHX evo
CB_Photo
#11 Posted : 4/2/2017 4:23:53 PM
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Can you reverse the L-bracket to get vertical adjustment?
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yogi98 on 4/2/2017(UTC)
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#13 Posted : 4/2/2017 8:37:24 PM

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To me the distance doesn't look to bad, though.
I think people worry to much about spill on the toms.
This miking position will give you great tone and let the toms breathe.
I even prefer it that way. Shifty Happy
Kit:
2012 (made in Japan) Limited Starclassic Select Walnut in Cherry Black Walnut, 10x8/12x9/16x14/22x18
100% hand selected Walnut, 6plys 5mm shells (7 plys 6mm bassdrum), black nickel hardware

Snare:
2015 Limited TAMA SLP Snare, 14 x 6.5, 6plys 100% oak, finish: Transparent Black Oak

Cymbals:
15" Hi-Hat, 21" Ride: Masterwork Custom Pointer
17" Medium Crash, 18" Thin Crash: Istanbul Mehmet Sultan Series

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Gajdzin on 4/4/2017(UTC)
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#12 Posted : 4/4/2017 7:37:12 AM
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Originally Posted by: CB_Photo Go to Quoted Post
Can you reverse the L-bracket to get vertical adjustment?

Afraid not - the only thing I succeeded in doing is move the screw mounting the microphone to the short vertical part of the bracket, but then it sticks out too much into the drumhead and I could hit it with a stick.
I think I just discovered a market need for a small, light, unobtrusive, infinitely adjustable mic mount that clips onto every drum hoop, incl. triple flange, die cast, Star mount, even S-Hoops. If someone could please design and manufacture one, I'll immediately buy a couple :)
Kits:
- Tama Star Maple (SMP) 10x8, 12x9, 14x14, 16x16, 22x18
- Tama Star Walnut (RBW) 10x7, 12x8, 16x16, 22x16
- Gretsch Club 10x7, 12x8, 14x14, 20x16
Snares:
- Noble & Cooley Solid Maple 14x7
- Canopus Zelkova 14x6.5
- Sonor ProLite 14x6
- Ludwig Black Beauty 14x6.5
- Sakae Almighty Maple 14x6.5
- Gretsch Full Range Maple 14x6.5
- Yamaha Sensitive Maple 13x6.5
- Pearl Omar Hakim 13x5
- Tama piccolo 13x3
- Self-made Corian 13x5

Cymbals:
- Paiste Signature
- Sabian HHX evo
Gajdzin
#14 Posted : 4/4/2017 7:39:51 AM
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Originally Posted by: BerlinStold Go to Quoted Post
To me the distance doesn't look to bad, though.
I think people worry to much about spill on the toms.
This miking position will give you great tone and let the toms breathe.
I even prefer it that way. Shifty Happy

You are probably right, although my first tests were not very successful, but I will play with it some more.
Kits:
- Tama Star Maple (SMP) 10x8, 12x9, 14x14, 16x16, 22x18
- Tama Star Walnut (RBW) 10x7, 12x8, 16x16, 22x16
- Gretsch Club 10x7, 12x8, 14x14, 20x16
Snares:
- Noble & Cooley Solid Maple 14x7
- Canopus Zelkova 14x6.5
- Sonor ProLite 14x6
- Ludwig Black Beauty 14x6.5
- Sakae Almighty Maple 14x6.5
- Gretsch Full Range Maple 14x6.5
- Yamaha Sensitive Maple 13x6.5
- Pearl Omar Hakim 13x5
- Tama piccolo 13x3
- Self-made Corian 13x5

Cymbals:
- Paiste Signature
- Sabian HHX evo
Geri48
#15 Posted : 4/4/2017 12:06:46 PM
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For studio application this distance is absolutely not to large. It's nice to get more air into microphone, you get more shell tone than just drumhead tone. But for live settings I understand the problem of spill - especially them loud guitars.

P.s.: A friend of mine used to have a great microphone clip that could easily fit between the hoop and starcast mount and it also worked on S-hoops. But it got wrecked and I don't have a clue what it was. I'm trying to find it on the "interweb". I'll let you know Happy
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My Tama gear:
Tama Stewart Copeland signature - SC145 chrome over brass snare drum.
Roadpro hardware, Iron Cobra hi hat stand, Multi Clamps, etc.
Tama 1st throne
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Gajdzin on 4/4/2017(UTC)
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#16 Posted : 4/4/2017 7:51:28 PM
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Originally Posted by: Geri48 Go to Quoted Post
For studio application this distance is absolutely not to large. It's nice to get more air into microphone, you get more shell tone than just drumhead tone. But for live settings I understand the problem of spill - especially them loud guitars.

The spill problem is very real in a studio setting, too. For example, when you gate the toms, and their mics capture a lot of cymbals, you get a gated cymbal effect, which is weird.
Kits:
- Tama Star Maple (SMP) 10x8, 12x9, 14x14, 16x16, 22x18
- Tama Star Walnut (RBW) 10x7, 12x8, 16x16, 22x16
- Gretsch Club 10x7, 12x8, 14x14, 20x16
Snares:
- Noble & Cooley Solid Maple 14x7
- Canopus Zelkova 14x6.5
- Sonor ProLite 14x6
- Ludwig Black Beauty 14x6.5
- Sakae Almighty Maple 14x6.5
- Gretsch Full Range Maple 14x6.5
- Yamaha Sensitive Maple 13x6.5
- Pearl Omar Hakim 13x5
- Tama piccolo 13x3
- Self-made Corian 13x5

Cymbals:
- Paiste Signature
- Sabian HHX evo
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Originally Posted by: Geri48 Go to Quoted Post
For studio application this distance is absolutely not to large. It's nice to get more air into microphone, you get more shell tone than just drumhead tone. But for live settings I understand the problem of spill - especially them loud guitars.

The spill problem is very real in a studio setting, too. For example, when you gate the toms, and their mics capture a lot of cymbals, you get a gated cymbal effect, which is weird.


Why would you want to do that?!
Well. But then I'd never gate anything when recording drums. I think it sounds always weird. Hand

But I guess it's all a matter of taste. Shifty Think
Kit:
2012 (made in Japan) Limited Starclassic Select Walnut in Cherry Black Walnut, 10x8/12x9/16x14/22x18
100% hand selected Walnut, 6plys 5mm shells (7 plys 6mm bassdrum), black nickel hardware

Snare:
2015 Limited TAMA SLP Snare, 14 x 6.5, 6plys 100% oak, finish: Transparent Black Oak

Cymbals:
15" Hi-Hat, 21" Ride: Masterwork Custom Pointer
17" Medium Crash, 18" Thin Crash: Istanbul Mehmet Sultan Series

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#18 Posted : 4/5/2017 4:53:42 AM
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Originally Posted by: BerlinStold Go to Quoted Post

Why would you want to do that?!
Well. But then I'd never gate anything when recording drums. I think it sounds always weird. Hand

But I guess it's all a matter of taste. Shifty Think

It's a matter of a particular recording - the sound the producer and the artist want to achieve. Saying "I never gate anything" is like a chef saying "I never use salt" :) It's how much you use, for which food and at which stage of dish preparation.

Every tool in the recording engineer's arsenal has its place and can be useful if it's used in the right scenario, not too much and not for everything.
Kits:
- Tama Star Maple (SMP) 10x8, 12x9, 14x14, 16x16, 22x18
- Tama Star Walnut (RBW) 10x7, 12x8, 16x16, 22x16
- Gretsch Club 10x7, 12x8, 14x14, 20x16
Snares:
- Noble & Cooley Solid Maple 14x7
- Canopus Zelkova 14x6.5
- Sonor ProLite 14x6
- Ludwig Black Beauty 14x6.5
- Sakae Almighty Maple 14x6.5
- Gretsch Full Range Maple 14x6.5
- Yamaha Sensitive Maple 13x6.5
- Pearl Omar Hakim 13x5
- Tama piccolo 13x3
- Self-made Corian 13x5

Cymbals:
- Paiste Signature
- Sabian HHX evo
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TamaDudeNJ on 4/5/2017(UTC)
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And just like salt, gating is a bad habit these days Happy I'm trying to be a bit provocative right now. Silence

The recording process is a bit counter-productive in last decades.
1.) Record the source as dry and characterless as possible
2.) Try to figure out how to get more life and character out of the recording.

Such recording process mostly serves the purpose of being able to spice (trigger and replace) the sound later on. But we only really need to spice the things up because we record that way.
Ok, we do keep our options open, so we can alter things later in the process. But why not do the homework immediately and get the desired sound from the get go.

Open sounding instruments + acoustic overdubbing - things like shakers, tambourines, hand claps. We need more of that. And I believe we are indeed reaching the end of an era right now. Gradually the sound will open up again.

Just a thought or two, peace. Happy

P.S.: Many engineers also don't understand that the driest sounding records aren't really all that dry in the first place. Similar to the drummers syndrome who want their drums to acoustically sound just like on their favourite record.
It's like a sauna in here.

My Tama gear:
Tama Stewart Copeland signature - SC145 chrome over brass snare drum.
Roadpro hardware, Iron Cobra hi hat stand, Multi Clamps, etc.
Tama 1st throne
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BerlinStold on 4/5/2017(UTC)
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#20 Posted : 4/5/2017 12:38:43 PM
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And just like salt, gating is a bad habit these days Happy I'm trying to be a bit provocative right now. Silence

Just because fast food chains drench their food in salt doesn't mean a top chef at a Michelin-star restaurant doesn't or shouldn't ever use salt. It's all about how you use it, for which dish, how much and how often.

Don't blame the tool, blame those who mis- or over-use it.

Happy
Kits:
- Tama Star Maple (SMP) 10x8, 12x9, 14x14, 16x16, 22x18
- Tama Star Walnut (RBW) 10x7, 12x8, 16x16, 22x16
- Gretsch Club 10x7, 12x8, 14x14, 20x16
Snares:
- Noble & Cooley Solid Maple 14x7
- Canopus Zelkova 14x6.5
- Sonor ProLite 14x6
- Ludwig Black Beauty 14x6.5
- Sakae Almighty Maple 14x6.5
- Gretsch Full Range Maple 14x6.5
- Yamaha Sensitive Maple 13x6.5
- Pearl Omar Hakim 13x5
- Tama piccolo 13x3
- Self-made Corian 13x5

Cymbals:
- Paiste Signature
- Sabian HHX evo
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