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#1 Posted : 8/24/2017 12:20:06 AM
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Recently I switched from Vic Firth 5A wood tip to ProMark 5B Rebound wood tip. I did it 'cuz the 5B diameter is much more comfortable in my hands and much less fatiguing.

The first thing I noticed was my cymbals sounded very different. Less articulation on the ride cymbals, and the crashes were either ON or too quiet. I understand that a heavier stick will cause such a change, especially with a hobbyist like me.

My snares sounded about the same, but the toms sounded flabby. It might be the heads, but . . . what has anyone else experienced?



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#2 Posted : 8/24/2017 12:54:44 AM

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I have the opposite reaction. 5As make everything sound thin and weak. I think it's just what you are used to, that's all.

I had 2Bs in marching band so everything feels light to me.

I use these 5B sticks now exclusively, which are a little bit longer than normal. I like the balance and feel of them.

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#3 Posted : 8/24/2017 1:58:08 AM
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Vic firth extreme x5a or x5b 16.5" in length balanced and awesome no fatigueHappy just awesome .... i have a slew of them the a's are for when i dont really know what im playing; (Jazz) the b's are go in your face rock n roll nd yes I still have 2b's i not a kid no more there more of a work out stick
2012.- 9pc. Starclassic Performer B/B. (BNZ)
7x8,9x10,10x12,12x14,14x16,16x18" toms.
2-18x22" kicks (one virgin).
5.5 x14" matching snare
Speed Cobra single pedals & Road Pro hardware.
Sabian AAX Series: 14" Studio hats. 16,17,18,19" Raw Bell Xplosion crashes. 21" Stage ride. 20" Custom Vault china. 10,12" splashes.

2008.- 5pc. Imperialstar (PB).
12,13,16" toms.
18x22" kick.
5.5 x14" matching snare
Speed Cobra double pedal & Stagemaster hardware.
Zildjian ZHT Rock Series: 14" hats. 16,18" Fast crashes. 20" ride. 18" china. 8" splash.
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#6 Posted : 8/24/2017 2:48:43 PM
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https://www.vater.com/#!/product/155

Vater Xtreme Design 5A or 5B.

Just a tad bit longer, seems to articulate a bit better on bigger cymbals, like the ride or bigger crashes.

Love em!
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#7 Posted : 8/25/2017 4:34:21 PM
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Vater Josh Freese signature model makes the drums and cymbals sound really full. But it is a stick designed for heavy hitting. It's really easy to achieve consistent backbeat.
Pro Mark 5A Pro (barrel tip) sound amazing on the cymbals!
It's like a sauna in here.

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#8 Posted : 8/25/2017 5:08:31 PM
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I've been using Vater Stewart Copelands for a while now, bit more beef than a regular 5A and beautifully balanced. The wood tip is super resilient too, no issues with chipping. Sound great on the whole kit...

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#9 Posted : 8/25/2017 11:58:57 PM
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Vic Firth 2b's with nylon tips.
I like a fatter stick that I can hold on to.

I find wood tips mark up the cymbals and heads too much.

yak
1974 Imperialstars Bop kit 24/14/16 (undergoing restoration).
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ohlarikd on 8/26/2017(UTC)
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#11 Posted : 8/26/2017 2:29:26 AM
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Vater 7A Manhattan wood tip
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Starclassic Maple Magnetic Orange - 8x7,10x8,12x9,16x14,22x18 - Bright Blue 12x10
Starclassic Performer B/B Lacquered Azure Oyster - 12x8,14x14,18x14

Snares:
Star Zebrawood - Indigo Zebrawood Burst
Star Zebrawood - Oiled Natural Zebrawood
Starphonic Maple Mappa Burl 14x6
Starphonic Aluminum

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Originally Posted by: doublepedal Go to Quoted Post
Vic firth extreme x5a or x5b 16.5" in length balanced and awesome no fatigueHappy just awesome .... i have a slew of them the a's are for when i dont really know what im playing; (Jazz) the b's are go in your face rock n roll nd yes I still have 2b's i not a kid no more there more of a work out stick


The ones I use are 16 5/8" so I am also in that camp. For some reason, it feels more balanced yet gives more power.

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Straight T Badge CW Superstars, 6/8/10/12/12/13/15/18/24x16/24x16
2014 Silverstar Maple (Dale's Drum Shop Exclusive), Super Honey Burst, 10x8/12x9/16x14/22x18 with matching 14x6 snare
2011-2012(?) Silverstar Birch Transparent Blue Burst, 10x8/12x9/16x14/22x18 with matching 14x5 snare
Snares: Starclassic Select Walnut 14x5.5, 40th Anniversary CW 14x6.5, Silverstar Mirage 14x6, Metalworks Satin Bronze 14x6, Superstar Classic Cherry Wine 14x6.5
4 Starclassic Lug High Pitch Octobans with Stilt stand
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Originally Posted by: doublepedal Go to Quoted Post
Vic firth extreme x5a or x5b 16.5" in length balanced and awesome no fatigueHappy just awesome .... i have a slew of them the a's are for when i dont really know what im playing; (Jazz) the b's are go in your face rock n roll nd yes I still have 2b's i not a kid no more there more of a work out stick

I use Vic Firth X5A wooden tips (they're just a little longer than regular 5A, which to me makes them feel heavier). I can achieve a complete spectrum of dynamics playing with these sticks and the articulation is great. They also hold up extremely well.
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#12 Posted : 8/26/2017 2:48:19 PM
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Big ol' rock sticks for me Vater, Vic Firth or Los Cabos depending on what is available.

I notice smaller and shallower drums don't respond as nicely. But I'm a larger drum kind of guy.

I recently test drove the same rock in a maple stick and was pleasantly surprised....there might be a change coming.

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Snares: Lars Ulrich steel, Kenny Aronoff 14x5 Trackmaster, 2004 Quilted Bubinga exotix 14x6" #75 of 300 MP 12" steel.
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Originally Posted by: CB_Photo Go to Quoted Post
what has anyone else experienced?

The weight of the sticks and the shape of the tip can have a very noticeable affect. When I used to play with 2B sticks, I was able to play a much heavier ride cymbal. Now that I play 5Bs, I can play thinner rides with a bit more wash and get away with it. With the tom-toms, heavier sticks work really well with tighter tension on the heads. The heavier sticks will still bring out the lower frequencies. With thinner sticks, tighter heads can sound "thin" and weak.

Give the new sticks at least a week or two before you decide to try something else. You may then want to try the Vic Firth 5B with the ball (AS5B) or barrel (5BBRL) tips, or the Vic Firth AJ1, or the Vater Keg 5B or Vater Universal.
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#14 Posted : 8/26/2017 8:56:56 PM
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I noticed most of you all play wood tip sticks.

I know they provide a warmer sound, but I find they really
mark up the cymbals and skins. I also found they wear out sooner.

Is there something I'm missing or don't know about wood tips ?

yak
1974 Imperialstars Bop kit 24/14/16 (undergoing restoration).
1978 ImperialStar Saturn 12+1 Kit in Midnight blue.(outfit #8993).
1978 ImperialStar Mars 9 kit in Hairline chrome.(outfit #8909),plus 6/8/10/12 concert toms.
1979 SuperStar Super Sunburst kit 22/12/13/14/16 & 6.5" snare
1983 Superstars in Super Mahogany X-tra deep series 22/22/10/11/12/13/14/16/18. 6.5"snare & 8" split lug snare.
1976 Superstars in Custom Black 13/14/16/22X15 (restored)
1982/83 Superstars X-tra deep series in Cherrywine 22/12/13 (restored)
A plethora of snares, 1974-2013. vintage & custom.
Paiste Innovations series cymbals. Tama stands and pedals.
Tama life is on hold. Majorly bummed. Selling and hating it.
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#17 Posted : 8/26/2017 9:47:08 PM
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Originally Posted by: pontiyak Go to Quoted Post
Is there something I'm missing or don't know about wood tips ?

For me, the ping is too bright. There's a warmth to a wood tip I prefer. I don't care about marks 'cuz I'm lazy, but since I've been using the Active Grip sticks I've noticed black marks on the edges of my cymbals. Think
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Is there something I'm missing or don't know about wood tips ?



They feel better when they strike the surface of a cymbal or drum. True, they don't last as long as nylon tips.
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#18 Posted : 8/27/2017 9:41:53 AM
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The wooden tips make the sound blend together a lot better. The nylon tips just "stick" out sonically.

As far as durability goes. I used Vater for 5 years now, not even a single tip chipped off on me. And recently I've been testing Pro Mark 5As since mid May, and they are still in great shape.
But yes, before I "switched" to Vater I mostly used Vic Firth 5AN (nylon tip), just because the durability.
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#19 Posted : 8/27/2017 12:22:43 PM
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I agree with all the points given regarding wood tips. I guess with my playing style my stick will usually break or wear out in other spots before the tip.

They do chip on me from time to time and it is a pain in the butt when that happens.
200? Starclassic Mirage Black Ice 6pc (10,12,14,14x6sn,16,22"x20 kick)
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2006 Starclassic Bubinga 4pc in White Pearl w diamond inlay (10"12"14"22")
2005 Starclassic Performer Birch 5pc Black Magic (10"12"14"14x5.5 snare, 22"kick)
2002 Arstar Es 4pc Rock Chrome (12"14"16"24")
1998 Starclassic Maple Crimson Fade 8pc (10x10"12x11"14x12"14x5.5snare "16x16" "18x16" 24x18 kick x2)
1990 Artstar II Piano White 4pc (12" 13" 16" 22" kick)
Snares: Lars Ulrich steel, Kenny Aronoff 14x5 Trackmaster, 2004 Quilted Bubinga exotix 14x6" #75 of 300 MP 12" steel.
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Originally Posted by: dsop Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: pontiyak Go to Quoted Post


Is there something I'm missing or don't know about wood tips ?



They feel better when they strike the surface of a cymbal or drum. True, they don't last as long as nylon tips.


I agree with this. I played Promark 747's with nylon tips for years. I play with a lot of rim shots, and those sticks would end up splintering pretty badly from all the rim shots. The nylon tips seemed to last forever. Then I switched to Vic Firth's Dave Weckl signature stick (the first one) and really liked those. I played those for several years. About 4 years ago, I became aware that one of my favorite drummers, Joel Rosenblatt, had switched from Vater to Vic Firth X5A. I was in a music store and picked up a pair of the X5A's out of curiousity to try them out, and the rest is history... it's the perfect stick for me. The X5A (in fact all the Vic Firth sticks I've played) don't splinter at all. The only thing that wears out is the wooden tip. After a while, the wooden tip loses its shape a little and the articulation on the cymbals isn't quite as good as when the stick was new. That's when I change them out for a new pair.
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#20 Posted : 8/27/2017 6:14:56 PM
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Thanks for all the input on wood tip verses nylon tip.
yak
1974 Imperialstars Bop kit 24/14/16 (undergoing restoration).
1978 ImperialStar Saturn 12+1 Kit in Midnight blue.(outfit #8993).
1978 ImperialStar Mars 9 kit in Hairline chrome.(outfit #8909),plus 6/8/10/12 concert toms.
1979 SuperStar Super Sunburst kit 22/12/13/14/16 & 6.5" snare
1983 Superstars in Super Mahogany X-tra deep series 22/22/10/11/12/13/14/16/18. 6.5"snare & 8" split lug snare.
1976 Superstars in Custom Black 13/14/16/22X15 (restored)
1982/83 Superstars X-tra deep series in Cherrywine 22/12/13 (restored)
A plethora of snares, 1974-2013. vintage & custom.
Paiste Innovations series cymbals. Tama stands and pedals.
Tama life is on hold. Majorly bummed. Selling and hating it.
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Originally Posted by: pontiyak Go to Quoted Post
Vic Firth 2b's with nylon tips.
I like a fatter stick that I can hold on to.

I find wood tips mark up the cymbals and heads too much.

yak



they do, but I like the way they sound better- especially on the cymbals. To each their own!
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